A new era dawns in relations with China

Do you believe reports that the Chinese are confident that they can take Taiwan in 72 hours?Can they?
china doesn't need taiwan to rule the world.
It's a pain in their side, but a military move against what they claim is China proper isn't in the cards.
It's not needed for Chinese expansion/hegemony
 
china doesn't need taiwan to rule the world.
It's a pain in their side, but a military move against what they claim is China proper isn't in the cards.
It's not needed for Chinese expansion/hegemony

Your avoidance is noted.
 
Why? What is in that for the US? In large scale geo-political terms aligning with China is likely a very big mistake. It'd be better to align with other nations in the region like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan along with India and Russia than aligning with China. That would put the Chinese in more of a bind and prevent their becoming a hegemony in Asia. Aligning with China tacitly gives them the S. China Sea by default. That would be a huge mistake on its own.

Beijing Buyden needs to enrich himself using his crack addled pedophile son
 
That maybe true but you don't have to vote for somebody that will make China the overlord a certainty.

LOL, prob from ASEAN Thailand it seems that way, in reality that was not an option, no one running can stop it now, short of war, I am afraid.....
 
The sinking of the West might be inevitable, but it's not really China that is set to rise for the long term. India will more likely be that nation.

While most discount India, it is out of ignorance, they will be the second largest economy sooner than many think, certainly in the life time of many posting here..
 
That's coming sadly, Japan is beefing up its military to counter the Chinese threat. Maybe there should be an Asian version of NATO to counter the Yellow Peril?
Is it already to late??

So they are going to form a military alliance against them & they do nothing??

They will use their economic muscle to coerce & bully, to were that angle is never going to happen..
 
While most discount India, it is out of ignorance, they will be the second largest economy sooner than many think, certainly in the life time of many posting here..
I agree, they operate in the background, letting the spotlight shine on China.
 
Trump ran on checking China . Biden ran on undoing Trump -see where that goes?

That is what trump did to obama..............:palm:

Most seem to think the Biden approach will continue some of the moves trump put in place, but adding allies-NOT GOING IT ALONE...
 
You don't have to be the largest economy or producer to be competitive. You need to read something like

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https://www.amazon.com/Competitive-Advantage-Nations-Michael-Porter/dp/0684841479

Just because China produces or consumes more doesn't mean the US, Europe, or whoever has to go into decline by comparison. The US doesn't have to set the rules or standards there and it doesn't mean that China will be able unilaterally to set them for the rest of the world.

On a geo-political / military strength angle, the world normally has seen two or three super-powers dominate throughout history. This is where we're headed once again. Post WW 2 it was the US vs. Soviet Union (each with allies etc.) for almost half a century. Now it's becoming the US vs. China, with possibly a third player coming out of Europe / Russia that aligns with one or the other. India is another rising power but will remain a regional one for quite some time.
One thing China to date hasn't been able to really pull off is gaining allies. Their foreign policy attempts in this area have mostly been rather amateurish and off-putting to those they've tried to sell foreign aid to. Look at the S. China Sea situation. They've managed to piss off every nation around its peripheral.

If Biden kowtows to them for some short term gain--and he certainly could to enrich himself since we know he's done that before--then the US gets screwed so one senile old rich politician and his family can live large. We'd be far better off with Trump than that situation.

True, it does not necessarily mean it will.

No they do not have to, but their are advantages in doing so..

China isn't seeking alliances, they are seeking trade deals.

Not sure how pissed off they are-here is a list of the not so pissed: The signatories are Australia, China, Japan, South Korea and New Zealand and the 10 members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN.) The pact is meant to reduce trade barriers and make it easier for the regional neighbors to do business—and the biggest winners and losers are already clear.

Pls, trump has enriched himself since before day one, save your hypocritical criticism for your fellow believers
 
The head of the Business Roundtable, a trade group of the nation’s largest companies, called on the incoming Biden administration to start rolling back tariffs as part of a new round of trade negotiations between the U.S. and China.

“Unwinding the tariffs, especially with China, shouldn’t be a unilateral act,” said Josh Bolten, the BRT’s chief executive. “It should be an opening to begin a serious negotiation that the Trump administration attempted but in many respects made difficult through overly aggressive measures.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/busine...n-to-ease-trumps-tariffs-on-china-11605645347

Commie China lover...u sucking on their cock!
 
Intelligent people know that Trump put the United States and China on a collision course for war!

A Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson on Thursday slammed a paper that listed "ten tasks" for the United States to accomplish to deal with China's rise, calling it another collection of lies piled up by the those "living fossils of the Cold War" from the U.S. State Department.

Spokesperson Zhao Lijian made the remarks at a press briefing when asked to comment on the paper, which was released by the U.S. State Department's Office of Policy Planning.

It only serves to lay bare the entrenched Cold War mindset and ideological prejudice of some people on the U.S. side and their fear, anxiety and unhealthy mentality towards a growing China, the spokesperson said.

Their vile attempts to bring back the Cold War will be mercilessly rejected by the Chinese people and all peace-lovers around the world, Zhao said. "They and their doomed attempts will end up in nowhere but the dustbin of history."


http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-11/19/c_139528237.htm
 
Is it already to late??

So they are going to form a military alliance against them & they do nothing??

They will use their economic muscle to coerce & bully, to were that angle is never going to happen..

I fully expect that Japan, Vietnam, South Korea and maybe even Taiwan will go nuclear to counter the Chinese threat.
 
I fully expect that Japan, Vietnam, South Korea and maybe even Taiwan will go nuclear to counter the Chinese threat.

That would protect them from war, it will not protect them from an ever increasing reliance on China, undermining their economy & sovereignty making them subject to the wants & whims on the CCP road to economic serfdom..:|
 

Here's how pissed off they are.

Tokyo has agreed to supply Southeast Asian governments with patrol boats – Indonesia and Vietnam in particular – so they can secure their coasts amid tensions in the South China Sea, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said in Jakarta on Wednesday.
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/vi...hat overlap with the sweeping claims of China.

Asia-Pacific leaders voiced concern over the situation in the resource-rich South China Sea at a regional summit on Saturday, a Japanese government official said, as security tensions between the United States and China have shown no sign of easing.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/11/15/national/asia-pacific-asean-south-china-sea/

China is holding new military exercises in the South China Sea amid an uptick in tensions between the Asian giant and its Southeast Asian neighbors and the U.S.
https://apnews.com/article/beijing-...ia-east-asia-8a1ca6abd6197b5b05506c7e288ff562

China basically claims the entirety of the South China Sea as their territorial waters right down to a 3 to 5 mile limit off other nation's coasts. They have ignored international agreements and treaties totally over this region and are trampling the smaller countries into submission.

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Biden's the sort of lame ass that will go along with China's claims for a big personal payoff.
 
That would protect them from war, it will not protect them from an ever increasing reliance on China, undermining their economy & sovereignty making them subject to the wants & whims on the CCP road to economic serfdom..:|

China now wants to break up the US Indian relationship for obvious reasons!

The reports by the US State Department on Thursday said China intends to displace America as the world’s leading power. It comes as the US is preparing for a transition of power from Donald Trump to President-elect Joe Biden.[/B]

The 70-page document claimed that China sees rising India as a “rival”.
The report said: “China perceives rising India as a rival and seeks to impel it to accommodate Beijing's ambitions by engaging economically while constraining New Delhi's strategic partnership with the US, Japan, Australia and its relations with other democracies.”

It added: “China is undermining the security, autonomy, and economic interests of many others in the region — such as member states of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), including those in the vital Mekong Region, as well as the nations of the Pacific Islands.”

Awareness of China’s moves to trigger competition has been growing in the US and other nations.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...report-Donald-trump-joe-biden-army-latest-ont
 
Intelligent people know that Trump put the United States and China on a collision course for war!

A Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson on Thursday slammed a paper that listed "ten tasks" for the United States to accomplish to deal with China's rise, calling it another collection of lies piled up by the those "living fossils of the Cold War" from the U.S. State Department.

Spokesperson Zhao Lijian made the remarks at a press briefing when asked to comment on the paper, which was released by the U.S. State Department's Office of Policy Planning.

It only serves to lay bare the entrenched Cold War mindset and ideological prejudice of some people on the U.S. side and their fear, anxiety and unhealthy mentality towards a growing China, the spokesperson said.

Their vile attempts to bring back the Cold War will be mercilessly rejected by the Chinese people and all peace-lovers around the world, Zhao said. "They and their doomed attempts will end up in nowhere but the dustbin of history."


http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-11/19/c_139528237.htm
lovely. you are quoting Chinese propaganda instead of the US State dept's paper on Chinese hegemony.
Beijing Biden is pleased. good work
 
The head of the Business Roundtable, a trade group of the nation’s largest companies, called on the incoming Biden administration to start rolling back tariffs as part of a new round of trade negotiations between the U.S. and China.

“Unwinding the tariffs, especially with China, shouldn’t be a unilateral act,” said Josh Bolten, the BRT’s chief executive. “It should be an opening to begin a serious negotiation that the Trump administration attempted but in many respects made difficult through overly aggressive measures.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/busine...n-to-ease-trumps-tariffs-on-china-11605645347
no tariffs =no negotiations.. why should China want to change the status quo?
all you are doing by removing tariffs is giving China a lifeboat to avoid trade reform
 
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