I don't believe your sincerity here.
Women in your life, that you trust, are lying to you about abortion because they don't trust you.
Women in your life don't trust you.
A great first step to ending Abortion!
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I don't believe your sincerity here.
Women in your life, that you trust, are lying to you about abortion because they don't trust you.
Women in your life don't trust you.
How is it bigotry?
You keep leaning on the "psychoquackery" but you don't actually refute it.
Then you posture that it doesn't get to you, when it clearly does.
Look at us now, having a debate about your sincerity. This is exactly where I wanted this debate to be. I know you're not sincere in your beliefs. I think you know that too.
So why are you even commenting?
Well, the problem is that we can't have a debate about abortion without debating why you have the position you have.
We know it's got nothing to do with the sanctity of life...so what is it really about?
I believe it's about control. You want to control women legislatively because you cannot control them in your personal life. The fact that you cannot control women makes you angry because you think you're entitled to that control. I want to know where that entitlement came from.
It's highly likely you are nuts!
That is the stupidest thing I have read in awhile, that you can't see the difference between ending the life of a murderer, and an innocent human, does not surprise me!
I have never raped anyon!
Nonsense you need mental help!
What you call fetus is a human being, and that is all it will ever be, you call it fetus to soothe your aching, soul ghoul!
Unfortunately, the right isn't interested in the abortion issue out of a concern for fetal life. If they were, they'd focus first on the low-hanging fruit -- all the ways you can prevent unnecessary fetal deaths without criminalizing a woman's decision to end an unwanted pregnancy. If they focused there, they'd find many on the left were their strongest allies. Among those ideas (most of which I stole from another forum):
(1) Make sure high-reliability contraception is convenient and affordable for everyone (e.g., get rid of the rule that lets certain privileged bosses deny their employees contraception coverage under their health insurance plans).
(2) Roll out proven birth-control education (e.g., sex-ed focused on preventative measures rather than the proven failure of abstinence-only education).
(3) Provide better subsidies for pre-natal healthcare (this will reduce miscarriages, which are obviously a threat to fetal life).
(4) Provide paid maternity leave (not only will this make taking a pregnancy to term more economically practical for people living paycheck to paycheck, but it will also cut down on women with complicated pregnancies engaging in the risky practice of working right up to delivery because they can't afford to have their income interrupted, and that will mean fewer pre-term births and miscarriages).
(5) Work to reduce the social stigma for unwed motherhood, which will cut back on abortions that occur because a woman can't face the stigma of people knowing she got pregnant out of wedlock.
(6) Better subsidies for obstetric and neonatal care, to cut down on infant mortality.
(7) Better subsidies for child care, so more economically distressed women can see a realistic path to raising a child.
(8) More government regulation of large-serving sugary drinks and other drivers of obesity (obesity significantly increases miscarriage rates).
Each of those things would reduce deaths by a lot more than tilting at windmills with abortion-criminalization laws, which will only tend to force the procedures underground or out of the country. This isn't like the pre-Roe era, when it was difficult for women to get abortions through means other than domestic clinics. These days, with the Internet, abortion pills, and cheap international travel, even if abortion were illegal nation-wide, most women with unwanted pregnancies would be able to figure out a work-around. So, other than the sick thrill of making their lives harder by forcing them into an illegal procedure or a trip abroad, there's little to be gained by the tack the right wing is taking. So, why aren't they taking a more effective and cooperative tack to reduce fetal deaths? The answer, of course, is that punishing women is the entirety of the point. They simply don't care about those fetuses, other than as an excuse for attacking women who make sexual decisions they don't approve of.
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Thus why I am done responding to any further psychoquackery and bigotry from him. He is unwilling to have a civil discussion about the matter.
Of course it's about life, I have no problem with birth control but you pay for it yourself! It should be criminal to end a child's life! I was taught sex ed in High school in the 80's has that changed? we have the best prenatal care in the world. Provide your own money for maternity leave, if you can't provide for a child do not become pregnant! Wedlock is the only place a pregnancy should take place. Sex causes pregnancy if you are not responsible enough to care for a child do not engage in risky behavior!
You make my point. You don't care about those lives even enough to pay taxes to subsidize birth control... but you're cool with paying taxes to punish women who choose to end their pregnancies (or doctors who help them), right? That's because the lives aren't the driver for you. The punishment is.
We do not. Look at miscarriage rates and infant mortality rates and you'll see we are well down the list.
And by pushing your religious stigma on others, you help to ensure that more women will get abortions in order to avoid the shame of letting people know they got pregnant out of wedlock. But since you don't care about the death of those fetuses, you're fine with that. The point is to punish the women, after all.
Right...there are no women in your life. How silly of me to make that assumption.
YET.
You haven't raped anyone YET.
But if you decided to, you believe that woman should be forced to birth your rape baby because no woman would voluntarily allow your deficient genes to proliferate.
The only reason you oppose abortion is because unless you force a woman to give birth, your deficient genes would have no chance of proliferating.
Science calls it a fetus.
But that has nothing to do with the fact that abortion is none of your business.
You want to make it your business because no woman would voluntarily proliferate your deficient genes.
But if those things are put in place, then over what will Conservatives cry crocodile tears?