A great first step to ending Abortion!

How are women being "punished"?

By being forced to choose between bringing an unwanted pregnancy to term or suffering criminal penalties for ending it.

They have the freedom to choose whether or not they want to have sex.

Some of them. And some of them not. But either way, you're trying to force your religious taboos on them by use of the criminal law, which is immoral of you.
 
Again, the issue isn't abstinence versus non-abstinence. We can agree that if it were possible to wave a magic wand and make it so nobody has sex, there'd be no pregnancies. But there are no magic wands to wave with policy. The choice being discussed is abstinence-only education versus more pragmatic education. It turns out the latter is much more effective at preventing unwanted pregnancies.



Incorrect. If you're unfamiliar with the propaganda used in abstinence-only education programs, read up on it and get back to me.



It's like driving: you don't want to do it recklessly, and you should take reasonable precautions. The problem with abstinence-only education is that it's the equivalent of a driver's ed program that harps endlessly on the idea that the only way to be absolutely sure you won't be in a car accident is to never get in a car (and in focusing exhaustively on that message, fails to spend appropriate time on defensive driving, etc.) The message is technically correct, but an utterly idiotic way to design a driver's ed program.

As for "fetal murder" -- there's no such thing. You might as well refer to bacon as being the result of "pig murder" -- or liposuction being "fat cell murder." Killing something isn't murder unless the thing has a right to life. Fetuses don't.
So...an unborn child doesn't have a right to life?
 
Yes, fetuses do not have a right to life. That's long-established law, not only in the US but in pretty much every advanced nation.
So, an unborn child doesn't have any rights at all, in any state? ‘
 
The evidence suggests you can't even promote it, much less enforce it. Abstinence-only education fails to result in abstinence, but what it does result in is more people being unprepared when they have sex, and thus higher unwanted pregnancy rates. Why not work with the liberals to address that? After all, a large share of those unwanted fetuses will end up dying, one way or the other, so if preventing fetal deaths is the goal (rather than just punishing women), preventing those unwanted pregnancies will do that.

Here are some interesting statistics on the rate of abortion on Guttmacher.

"The highest annual rate of abortion in 2010–2014 was in the Caribbean, estimated at 59 per 1,000 women of reproductive age, followed by South America, at 48. The lowest rates were in Northern America, at 17, and in Western and Northern Europe—at 16 and 18, respectively.

• Across all world subregions, Eastern Europe experienced the largest decline in its abortion rate, from 88 per 1,000 in 1990–1994 to 42 per 1,000 in 2010–2014, which corresponded with an increase in access to modern contraceptives following the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

• As of 2010–2014, the overall abortion rate in Africa is 34 per 1,000 women. Subregional rates range from 31 in Western Africa to 38 in Northern Africa; abortion rates in these subregions have changed little or not at all since 1990–1994.

• In Latin America and the Caribbean, subregional abortion rates range from 33 in Central America to 48 in South America to 59 in the Caribbean. The overall regional rate has hardly changed since 1990–1994.

• In Asia, the average abortion rate is 36 per 1,000 women. Most subregional rates are close to this figure; Central Asia is higher at 42. The regional rate has changed little since 1990–1994."

(Source: https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-worldwide)

It's interesting that in countries with access to health care, information, and most of all contraceptives the lowest rates occur, whereas in other countries (note the high incidence in predominantly-Catholic Latin America) they have the highest rates.
 
Yes, fetuses do not have a right to life. That's long-established law, not only in the US but in pretty much every advanced nation.

You keep using the word Fetus as if it means something! It is a word you use to keep yourself from feeling shame, for your support of a barbaric practice!
 
Again, the issue isn't abstinence versus non-abstinence.
Didn't say it was.

We can agree that if it were possible to wave a magic wand and make it so nobody has sex, there'd be no pregnancies.
I'm not trying to stop people from having sex.

But there are no magic wands to wave with policy. The choice being discussed is abstinence-only education versus more pragmatic education.
You're purposely phrasing those options in a way which makes one sound much better than the other. It's about whether or not purposely taking away the life of one's own child is wrong. It is also about the sanctity of life, and how big of a responsibility it is to bring life into the world.

It turns out the latter is much more effective at preventing unwanted pregnancies.
Nope. Abstinence is much more effective.

Incorrect. If you're unfamiliar with the propaganda used in abstinence-only education programs, read up on it and get back to me.
Abstinence isn't a "no sex forever" type of deal... It simply encourages people to WAIT until they are married... until they have formed a solid nuclear family foundation first, and are ready emotionally and financially to take on such a huge responsibility.

It's like driving: you don't want to do it recklessly, and you should take reasonable precautions.
Okay.

The problem with abstinence-only education is that it's the equivalent of a driver's ed program that harps endlessly on the idea that the only way to be absolutely sure you won't be in a car accident is to never get in a car (and in focusing exhaustively on that message, fails to spend appropriate time on defensive driving, etc.) The message is technically correct, but an utterly idiotic way to design a driver's ed program.
OR you teach both?

As for "fetal murder" -- there's no such thing. You might as well refer to bacon as being the result of "pig murder" -- or liposuction being "fat cell murder." Killing something isn't murder unless the thing has a right to life. Fetuses don't.
Yes, they do.
 
all we need to do to stop abortion is to control the flow of sperm


why attack the problem at the end of the deal when the situation becomes far more dangerous for human bodies



attack the problem at the very source


SPERM


control SPERM
 
SPERM causes all pregnancies


controlling sperm is simple



it will mean not one unwanted pregnancy will ever exist again



But it scares the Fuck out of men



its simple to control sperm




there are many ways to do it
 
YOU own the sperm menfolk



if you NEVER inserted sperm into a female there would never be another child born on earth


that is some power huh dudes



control your sperm

ITS VERY FUCKING SIMPLE
 
YOU own the sperm menfolk



if you NEVER inserted sperm into a female there would never be another child born on earth


that is some power huh dudes



control your sperm

ITS VERY FUCKING SIMPLE
So the men should definitely have a say when it comes to the pregnancy....especially if the decision includes terminating the unborn child.... good point;)
 
they have a say over sperm huh


now quit trying to blame the women


control your end of the deal and quit fucking ordering people arround
 
So the men should definitely have a say when it comes to the pregnancy....especially if the decision includes terminating the unborn child.... good point;)

men control their bodies


women control their bodies

see how that works you dumb fucking shit brick


I don't care what you do with your sperm


but shut the fuck up about ODERING Females what they do with their bodies




go to the Dr and get a simple little snip snip



it can be reversed



so quit trying to control this issue at a point where it is most dangerous for women



it their body not yours


don't give sperm to women and your part of the deal is done


get it
 
By being forced to choose between bringing an unwanted pregnancy to term or suffering criminal penalties for ending it.
If she doesn't want a pregnancy, then she shouldn't have sex. That's part of what sex entails... It is much more than casual pleasure...

Some of them. And some of them not.
Most all of them yes... Extremely few cases of them not...

But either way, you're trying to force your religious taboos on them by use of the criminal law, which is immoral of you.
Humans are INHERENTLY religious, Oneuli... YOU even make use of religion... We ALL do... And no, I did not say Theism... I said religion...
 
they have a say over sperm huh


now quit trying to blame the women


control your end of the deal and quit fucking ordering people arround

Takes two to tango honey! That is why a man should have a say, if he wants to raise it, she carries it he raises it. If not both sets of parents are on the hook to pay and raise it, you want to that is how you keep abortion from happening! After 18 make both parties responsible for raising it let it be adopted and garnish wages.
 
men control their bodies


women control their bodies

see how that works you dumb fucking shit brick


I don't care what you do with your sperm


but shut the fuck up about ODERING Females what they do with their bodies




go to the Dr and get a simple little snip snip



it can be reversed



so quit trying to control this issue at a point where it is most dangerous for women



it their body not yours


don't give sperm to women and your part of the deal is done


get it

Women engage in the sexual act also, quit acting as if they are innocent in the process!
 
men control their bodies


women control their bodies

see how that works you dumb fucking shit brick


I don't care what you do with your sperm


but shut the fuck up about ODERING Females what they do with their bodies




go to the Dr and get a simple little snip snip



it can be reversed



so quit trying to control this issue at a point where it is most dangerous for women



it their body not yours


don't give sperm to women and your part of the deal is done


get it
So you agree with me...good;)
 
there would never be another abortion if all men snip sniped and then reversed when they wanted babies



its not so easy for women huh idiot


yet your stupid fucking ass wants to put ALL THE BLAME ON WOMEN
 
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