A Conservative Coalition

[Jarod]

The government owns 60% of General Motors! How the fuck can you say, with a straight face, that government doesn't "own the means of production" regarding a company they own 60% of? It fucking sounds like YOU need to learn the meaning of the word socialism!

FALSE, the governmern owned 60% of GM for a short time, in an effort to ensure its survival as a private company, otherwise this private company would have ceased to exist and forign nations would have owned the only means of production.

 

[beanerboy]

The government owns 60% of General Motors! How the fuck can you say, with a straight face, that government doesn't "own the means of production" regarding a company they own 60% of? It fucking sounds like YOU need to learn the meaning of the word socialism!

one company, on a temporary basis is not the community as a whole. It is the totality of government control which defines socialism. You posted the definition, by the way... use it.

 

[NOVA]

Noun 1. socialist economy - an economic system based on state ownership of capital

managed economy - a non-market economy in which government intervention is important in allocating goods and resources and determining prices

example.....gov. controlled healthcare-single payer

 

[beanerboy]

Noun 1. socialist economy - an economic system based on state ownership of capital

managed economy - a non-market economy in which government intervention is important in allocating goods and resources and determining prices

example.....gov. controlled healthcare-single payer

the state doesn't own capital in the US.

government involvement in one aspect of society is not government ownership of ALL aspects of society.

 

[apple0154]

I guess you never heard of General Motors, huh, beanhead?
...Or Fanny May... Freddy Mac... TARP... Citigroup... Bank of America... A.I.G... Bear Stearns...

If you've never heard any democrat espouse socialism, you either need to clean out your ears or learn what the fuck socialism is.

The government loaned those companies money similar to a bank loaning someone money for a mortgage. While one is forbidden from making certain changes to a house the reason is so as not to lower it's value. Again, similar to the government ensuring a company to which it has loaned money does not do something that will lower it's value. Just as the bank is not interested in maintaining ownership of the home (it wants to be repaid the money loaned and get out) the government wants to be repaid the money loaned and divest itself of any interest in the business.

As a side note I find it peculiar Conservatives/Republicans aggressively espouse the virtues of family while fervently denouncing social policies. Are not the virtues associated with families what we consider social policies; the concern for each other, the sharing, etc? To condemn in society the attributes we ascribe to the building blocks of society, the family, defies logic.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

I guess you never heard of General Motors, huh, beanhead? ...Or Fanny May... Freddy Mac... TARP... Citigroup... Bank of America... A.I.G... Bear Stearns... If you've never heard any democrat espouse socialism, you either need to clean out your ears or learn what the fuck socialism is.

Fannie Mae ( I suppose the ignorant Dixie was referring to Fannie Mae) has been a publicly-traded company since 1968.


Freddie Mac (Which Dixie also mis-identified) is also a public-traded company.


Both were put under federal conservatorship on Sept. 7, 2008 - when Bush was president.


What an ignoramus Dixie is.

 

[Rune]

As a side note I find it peculiar Conservatives/Republicans aggressively espouse the virtues of family while fervently denouncing social policies. Are not the virtues associated with families what we consider social policies; the concern for each other, the sharing, etc? To condemn in society the attributes we ascribe to the building blocks of society, the family, defies logic.

It's all just smoke and mirrors.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

the state doesn't own capital in the US.

government involvement in one aspect of society is not government ownership of ALL aspects of society.

1. Yes, the "state" owns 60% of General Motors, and have controlling interest in a number of other bailed-out companies.

2. There is nothing in the definition that requires ALL aspects of society to be socialist to call something socialist.

Your party, your president, and YOU in particular, are attempting to transform America into a SOCIALIST nation... now you can lie through your shit-stained teeth about that, and try to fool people into being gullible and believing your total load of horse crap, but I think America has started to wake up, and we'll see if they believe you this go around.

 

[Rune]

1. Yes, the "state" owns 60% of General Motors, and have controlling interest in a number of other bailed-out companies.

Cite.

 

[Lowaicue]

1. Yes, the "state" owns 60% of General Motors, and have controlling interest in a number of other bailed-out companies.

2. There is nothing in the definition that requires ALL aspects of society to be socialist to call something socialist.

Your party, your president, and YOU in particular, are attempting to transform America into a SOCIALIST nation... now you can lie through your shit-stained teeth about that, and try to fool people into being gullible and believing your total load of horse crap, but I think America has started to wake up, and we'll see if they believe you this go around.

Dixie, for chrissakes grow up.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Just because socialists see democrats as supporting more of their ideas does not mean that all democrats, or the democratic platform, is socialist.

doesn't it mean that Democrats support socialist ideas?........

 

[beanerboy]

There is nothing in the definition that requires ALL aspects of society to be socialist to call something socialist.

what part of "advocating the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." don't you understand?

 

[Lowaicue]

doesn't it mean that Democrats support socialist ideas?........

In the general way of things your Democrats are not even left wing.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

In the general way of things your Democrats are not even left wing.

if by "general way of things" you include South America, Asia and Africa, our Republicans are left wing......only if you look at things in a You'r a Peon way does it look conservative.....

 

[poet]

if by "general way of things" you include South America, Asia and Africa, our Republicans are left wing......only if you look at things in a You'r a Peon way does it look conservative.....

That's a lie. Republicans are fastly becoming the fascists d'jour. They are all "batshit crazy". Every last one. They don't even remotely approach "left wing".

 

[Mott the Hoople]

again... using the word socialism is just a scare tactic. No democrat is suggesting vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. WHere has Obama, or any other democrat, suggested the nationalization of industry, of farming, or banking, or land ownership? Nobody has ever tried to tell the owners of John Deere, for example (a company close to my heart) that they should cease to exist as a private entity and become an arm of the government? Nobody has suggested that all the Sears stores and Walmart's and Costco's become government run retail operations. Nobody has EVER suggested that farmers give up their land and cede ownership to the government. Nobody has ever said that we cannot own our own homes. No one has EVER said that community banks and savings and loans and credit unions cease to exist and that government control all the capital markets.

Conservatives are fine with government controlling some aspects of of society. But when liberals suggest expanding that list in small incremental ways - even though we NEVER call for complete government control of ALL aspects of our economy - which IS the definition of socialism - they still haul out the "S" word because it scares people.... disingenuous pricks.

It's also classical Machiavellian politics. Democrats do the same thing when they don't like conservative policies. They pull out the Nazi/Fascism card and for the same reason. To scare people.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I actually have been on boards with this moron DIxie for more than a decade.... he is just about as sick and twisted as a guy can get. and a shitty poet.

Maybe.....but no one can start a thread like Dixie does!!!!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Here are some conservatives marching with the banner of Dixie.

Aren't you doing the same thing as Dixie for the same reasons with this post?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The government owns 60% of General Motors! How the fuck can you say, with a straight face, that government doesn't "own the means of production" regarding a company they own 60% of? It fucking sounds like YOU need to learn the meaning of the word socialism!

The government is also selling those stock back to the public and a catastropic economic disaster was averted. You're argument fails in that the government did not nationalize the automotive manufacturing industry. That would be socialism. If you consider the Government buy out to save GM socialism then Japan and Germany have been socialist nations for many decades as their major automotive companies have been subsidized by their national governments since they were rebuilt after WWII.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

doesn't it mean that Democrats support socialist ideas?........

Doesn 't it mean that Republicans support fascist ideas?.......