9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact

[iolo]

so I guess every president since 1913 has been a Marxist, according to you?

A state run by capitalists is never ever going to give anyone anything according to ability, for God's sake, let alone according to his need! You live in a plutocracy moving into a caste society, and only the tedious need to exploit you makes them retain the 'red tape' of keeping you alive!

 

[Taft2016]

A state run by capitalists is never ever going to give anyone anything according to ability, for God's sake, let alone according to his need! You live in a plutocracy moving into a caste society, and only the tedious need to exploit you makes them retain the 'red tape' of keeping you alive!

You realize you completely inverted Marx's formula, don't you?

 

[Taft2016]

However, if you like the "to each according to his ability," how does a liberal square that with labor unions and collective bargaining, which eradicate the recognition of individual ability?

 

[iolo]

You realize you completely inverted Marx's formula, don't you?

'That, obviously, is what capitalists do. Their slogan is, 'from each according to his vulnerability, to each according to his exploitive power.'

 

[Essence]

However, if you like the "to each according to his ability," how does a liberal square that with labor unions and collective bargaining, which eradicate the recognition of individual ability?

Isn't "joining a group that will support me" part of the set of "my abilities"?

 

[iolo]

'That, obviously, is what capitalists do. Their slogan is, 'from each according to his vulnerability, to each according to his exploitive power.'

I am delighted to find that this elicited groans from the nasties. When they kill us all they will be much more cheerful, until they realise they have no-one to live off, like vermin on a corpse.

 

[evince]

'That, obviously, is what capitalists do. Their slogan is, 'from each according to his vulnerability, to each according to his exploitive power.'

Not this capitalist.


capitalism is needed for man to innovate at high levels.

There is NOTHING on the face of this earth you can replace it with.

It needs to be PROPERLY fettered to work

 

[Big Money]

What "fetters" are placed by government on your rents, racist slumlord?

 

[wiseones2cents]

You've got your finger on the pulse but you're missing the big picture. It's the liberals who are creating and spreading crony capitalism (fascism).

The class-action lawsuits that liberals drool uncontrollably over; "Big Pharma," "Big Oil," "Big Energy," and "Big Tobacco," with the multi-billion dollar payouts, those corporations are all on board with this. Why? Because the costs of adhering to all of this prevents new competitions from springing up.

Do you have any idea of how hard it is to start up a new pharmaceutical company? A new pharma company will not have a product on the shelf (at all, zero) for a minimum of 10 years. Minimum. Any new pharma company has to immediately form a partnership with one of the Big Pharmas to even get off the ground.

Tobacco? Forget it. As profitable as cigarettes are, when was the last time a new cigarette company hit the market?

Independent oil drillers? What with environmental regulations, drilling on land has dwindled to nearly nothing. It has to be done off-shore at prohibitive costs, which only Big Oil can afford.

This is crony capitalism courtesy of liberalism; big corporations working in cooperation with the government. Don't take my word for it. Ask Keith Olbermann why General Electric fired him from MSNBC.

Finally! Some signs of intelligence!!!

Still, I have to disagree. Both sides are in on this. They just have different ways to steal. One steals from your left pocket, the other from your right.....But they both steal.

Big Pharma, Big oil, ??? Wasn't Rumsfeld with Serle(pharmaceudical)? As soon as war rumors started to swirl, pharma stocks went sky high. Probably thanks to all that Afghan Opium. And GWB? We all know he is a oilman. Both are republicans.

 

[wiseones2cents]

You're getting warmer.

The dogma you proclaim about "wealthy corporations paying their fair share" doesn't really concern the big corporations all that much. There are reasons the major industrial corporations don't yammer so much about it; they can deal with it. They're situated globally to absorb tax increases, and whatever increased taxes they do suffer they can simply pass them along to consumers, who have limited choices.

The reason the corporations don't yammer so much, and grassroots conservatives do yammer for lower corporate taxes, is that the current system stifles start-up competition. The tax increases are passed along to consumers who suffer limited access to cheaper alternatives in the marketplace. Reforming the current corporate tax system will allow start-up competitions to challenge the existing corporate monsters.

It will benefit consumers with cheaper alternatives.

The irony is that the huge corporations would experience more problems with less regulation and taxation, which is why you see monsters like General Electric and General Motors hobnobbing with Obama.

It is the lower-tier businesses that are struggling in competitive economic fields that are in need in lower taxes and regulations. They're stuggling against the protections offered by the big government crony capitalists.

It's true. Believe it or not, the middle class and small businesses subsidize big business.

 

[Althea]

Aside from your absolutely infantile misunderstanding of crony capitalism (fascism), why wasn't this understanding and rational liberal nature displayed during your wild imaginings of Cheney and Halliburton?

Doing business with cronies, especially when costs are identical to other bids, is a far cry from launching an unnecessary war in order to funnel billions to cronies.

Creating a market for services, especially when a long standing 'cost plus' contract is in place, isn't the same as cronyism in the marketplace.

 

[Taft2016]

Doing business with cronies, especially when costs are identical to other bids, is a far cry from launching an unnecessary war in order to funnel billions to cronies.

Creating a market for services, especially when a long standing 'cost plus' contract is in place, isn't the same as cronyism in the marketplace.

More wild imaginings.

Halliburton was used, without bids, for the same reasons that Bill Clinton used them in Yugoslavia and Obama continues to use them, without bids. They're the best equipped to get the job done.

Maybe Barry shoulda used them for his Obamacare website.

 

[Big Money]

More wild imaginings. Halliburton was used, without bids, for the same reasons that Bill Clinton used them in Yugoslavia and Obama continues to use them, without bids. They're the best equipped to get the job done. Maybe Barry shoulda used them for his Obamacare website.

Michelle didn't go to school with any Halliburton execs, did she?

 

[iolo]

Not this capitalist.


capitalism is needed for man to innovate at high levels.

There is NOTHING on the face of this earth you can replace it with.

It needs to be PROPERLY fettered to work

It can't be, because it buys up the fetterers. It must be destroyed.

 

[Althea]

More wild imaginings.

Halliburton was used, without bids, for the same reasons that Bill Clinton used them in Yugoslavia and Obama continues to use them, without bids. They're the best equipped to get the job done.

Maybe Barry shoulda used them for his Obamacare website.

Read my post again....especially this part...

especially when a long standing 'cost plus' contract is in place,

The services that Halliburton provided during peacetime were a far cry from the services that they provided when Cheney funneled them billions for the 'blood for oil' campaign.

 

[evince]

how many non military contracts did Haliburton do stateside where the employees were electrocuted while trying to shower?

 

[evince]

It can't be, because it buys up the fetterers. It must be destroyed.

sorry dude you will kill the human engine.


I really like a lot of what you say but on this one your DEAD wrong.


Government is adult work.

If you watch your shit and realign the fettering properly then it can run pretty damned smoothly.



NO matter what system you put in place someone will seek to exploit it.


there is NO automatic setting.

that is what the mixed up right in this country thinks about unfettering.


They think its some magic automatic setting in which everything takes care of its self.


trying it on the other end of the spectrum like you suggest is just as silly.


Man kind MUST be at the helm at all times.


wise , honest and with the entire population in mind.


we must choose good leaders.


Our elections have been breached by evil men.

stop the election breaching and you will GET better leaders.


I unlike most people on this site ACTUALLY believe in the power of Democracy to get it right.


But you have to HAVE real democracy.

one side cheats its ass off in this country

 

[iolo]

sorry dude you will kill the human engine.


I really like a lot of what you say but on this one your DEAD wrong.


Government is adult work.

If you watch your shit and realign the fettering properly then it can run pretty damned smoothly.



NO matter what system you put in place someone will seek to exploit it.


there is NO automatic setting.

that is what the mixed up right in this country thinks about unfettering.


They think its some magic automatic setting in which everything takes care of its self.


trying it on the other end of the spectrum like you suggest is just as silly.


Man kind MUST be at the helm at all times.


wise , honest and with the entire population in mind.


we must choose good leaders.


Our elections have been breached by evil men.

stop the election breaching and you will GET better leaders.


I unlike most people on this site ACTUALLY believe in the power of Democracy to get it right.


But you have to HAVE real democracy.

one side cheats its ass off in this country

Under capitalism the capitalists control the parties and the government. If you think otherwise you are falling for propaganda. There is no freedom under capitalism for anyone, ever.

 

[evince]

sorry my friend I disagree.


there is no government you can come up with that excludes capitalism that I would agree to take part in.


The whole idea of not allowing a human being to craft something out of their own ideas and skills and have their neighbor see it and say "how did you do that?" "can you make me one I will give you three chickens for it".


that is caplitalism

 

[iolo]

sorry my friend I disagree.


there is no government you can come up with that excludes capitalism that I would agree to take part in.


The whole idea of not allowing a human being to craft something out of their own ideas and skills and have their neighbor see it and say "how did you do that?" "can you make me one I will give you three chickens for it".


that is caplitalism

So, say goodbye to democracy - and, of course, any control over anything you do.