9 Facts About the Israel-Palestine Conflict On Which We Can All Agree

moon2012 said:
You won't find any evidence to back your fallacious horseshit. EVERYBODY hates fascism- except fascists- and you're a megaphone for Israeli fascism.
The facts I introduce to this forum are intended to inform those who , to date, have been exposed only to the neoZionist narrative. You're included under that heading.

Of course, I despise the lies that you write here because you're a propaganda pump for Israeli fascism and Israeli fascism is very dangerous to us all. The Brit government is riddled with members of the Israel Lobby just as the US government can't shift from one ass cheek to the other without AIPAC permission.

Blanket support for Israel has cost a deal in terms of blood and treasure. Americans and Brits have died for the ' cause ' of ' Israel's security ' in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and elsewhere . Now the Israelis want us to attack Iran. The frightening part is that we all KNOW that Israel is already trashing international law and therefore weakening the very structure that prevents global warfare. Myopic arses, such as yourself, are unable to see that.

The US is planning to gift 50 billion dollars of US taxpayers cash to Israel in the near future. This when Americans are homeless, uneducated, sick and starving . We should all hate Israeli fascism- but there is no hope for Fools like you who connive to present such criminality as ' moral ' and attempt to slur opponents of fascism as ' racist ' or ' antisemitic '. This is particularly inane as what you post here yourself portrays you as xenophobic and racist.

See you, Jiminy.

Incidentally- with regard to the murder of the Lebanese commander which you cheered in an earlier thread- he was working with us.




Now fuck off and troll somebody who hasn't already got your measure.
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Can't stand the truth can you? Seems your response is just another example of when you disagree the person with whom you disagree gets called troll. When are you going to learn that's not how it works, raghead?
 
CFM said:
Can't stand the truth can you? Seems your response is just another example of when you disagree the person with whom you disagree gets called troll. When are you going to learn that's not how it works, raghead?
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Yes, they certainly overdid it with your ECT.
 
moon2012 said:
Hamas is the democratically-elected government of Palestine- like your fence-squatting article states. Imagine what the Palestinians think of your choice of David Cameron and his Tories. Imagone what YOU'D think if the US and Israel contrived a coup to bring your Tories down- just like they tried against Hamas in 2006. That doesn't appear in your fence-squatting article, does it, Fool.
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Hamas isn't democratically elected, they've long outrun their electoral mandate, and it never included total control over any area of Palestine regardless. Both governments refuse to hold fresh elections out of fear that they might lose them.
 
anatta said:
I do not think ISIS has fired into the Golan Heights from Syria as stated above.
There were a few from Lebanon ( probably Hez) - but from all accounts ( at least Israeli) they were from the Syrian (assad) regime

Errant rocket from Syria hits Golan Heights
http://www.timesofisrael.com/errant-rocket-from-syria-hits-golan-heights/

as to the "points we can all agree to" nobody agrees with all of anything in terms of Israel/Gaza/Palestinians..
But they seemed simple enough to at least mostly agree..

And this is why I stay off this topic usually -there isn't agreement over even basic starting points.
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Nope, I was saying that they (or at least groups identifying as ISIS) had fired from Gaza. They also aren't the only group that does so. It's not Hamas, although Hamas is responsible as they are the sovereign over the area.
 
Book Purist said:
Hamas isn't democratically elected, they've long outrun their electoral mandate, and it never included total control over any area of Palestine regardless. Both governments refuse to hold fresh elections out of fear that they might lose them.
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I beg to differ. Hamas was overwhelmingly elected in 2006 and the failed Israel/US- backed coup has resulted in there being no general election since then. Technically, Hamas is still the ruling government of all of Palestine and Abbas's mandate as President has long since expired. Having Abbas ' dismiss ' the Hamas government in 2007 was never a legal Constitutional act. Neither is his continuing presidency. Abbas is a convenient fool for the Zionists and Washington.
 
moon2012 said:
I beg to differ. Hamas was overwhelmingly elected in 2006 and the failed Israel/US- backed coup has resulted in there being no general election since then. Technically, Hamas is still the ruling government of all of Palestine and Abbas's mandate as President has long since expired. Having Abbas ' dismiss ' the Hamas government in 2007 was never a legal Constitutional act. Neither is his continuing presidency. Abbas is a convenient fool for the Zionists and Washington.
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Hamas got like 3% more of the vote than Fatah in 2006, not even a majority. They got a lot more seats because the distribution of FPTP seats heavily favored Hamas.
 
Book Purist said:
Hamas isn't democratically elected, they've long outrun their electoral mandate, and it never included total control over any area of Palestine regardless. Both governments refuse to hold fresh elections out of fear that they might lose them.
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I was going to make the same points, there haven't been any elections for high on 10 years. Moonbat is full of shit as per usual.

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Book Purist said:
If Hamas really wanted to fire rockets and break the ceasefire, there would be thousands of rockets firing into Israel, not 7 in a year.
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All the smuggling tunnels were destroyed so they are unable to get fresh rockets as in the past.

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moon2012 said:
I beg to differ. Hamas was overwhelmingly elected in 2006 and the failed Israel/US- backed coup has resulted in there being no general election since then. Technically, Hamas is still the ruling government of all of Palestine and Abbas's mandate as President has long since expired. Having Abbas ' dismiss ' the Hamas government in 2007 was never a legal Constitutional act. Neither is his continuing presidency. Abbas is a convenient fool for the Zionists and Washington.
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Bullshit on steroids!

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Book Purist said:
Hamas got like 3% more of the vote than Fatah in 2006, not even a majority. They got a lot more seats because the distribution of FPTP seats heavily favored Hamas.
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Their victory in terms of seats was overwhelming, as I said;

The result was a victory for Change and Reform (Hamas), who won with 74 seats of the 132 seats, whilst the ruling Fatah won just 45.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006
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The percentage- like Fool's racist horseshit - meant squat. There have been no further general elections because there's no legal president. Abbas squats illegitimately over the legislature. When he is gone the Palestinians will again vote for active resistance to the illegal occupation- within the boundaries of their right to self-defense under international law.
 
Book Purist said:
If Hamas really wanted to fire rockets and break the ceasefire, there would be thousands of rockets firing into Israel, not 7 in a year.
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If Hamas really wanted Israel rocketed then Hizb'allah would do it for them. They don't. Hamas changed its policy .
 
moon2012 said:
Their victory in terms of seats was overwhelming, as I said;



The percentage- like Fool's racist horseshit - meant squat. There have been no further general elections because there's no legal president. Abbas squats illegitimately over the legislature. When he is gone the Palestinians will again vote for active resistance to the illegal occupation- within the boundaries of their right to self-defense under international law.
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The percentage really does mean a lot. That's an indication of a party's actual level of support. If a part wins a lot of seats but not much of a percentage, it's only due to a flawed electoral system and I don't really view it as legitimate. Besides Hamas could've easily lost the next election, had it been held, with a small swing of a few percentage points. So the victory wasn't really overwhelming, it was tenuous at best.
 
Book Purist said:
The percentage really does mean a lot. That's an indication of a party's actual level of support. If a part wins a lot of seats but not much of a percentage, it's only due to a flawed electoral system and I don't really view it as legitimate. Besides Hamas could've easily lost the next election, had it been held, with a small swing of a few percentage points. So the victory wasn't really overwhelming, it was tenuous at best.
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I disagree- that government was elected on seats won- not percentages of the overall vote- but it's not a point worth arguing as Hamas was illegally suppressed anyway and EVERYBODY that did NOT vote for Fatah was disenfranchised - that's the TOTAL percentage of all non-Fatah voters.
There will be another general election as soon as Abbas is removed- and it should result in another overwhelming win for Hamas- if the international community monitors are allowed entry by the Israeli High Command.
 
Can't be so sure that Fatah wouldn't just elect a new leader and continue their government. Last time I looked at the polls, Hamas was ahead in the West Bank and Fatah was ahead in the Gaza Strip (ironically enough). Thigh that was like a year back.
 
There's no doubt that the new state of Palestine deserves a new Constitution. Husni Mubarak helped draft the last one.
 
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