9 Facts About the Israel-Palestine Conflict On Which We Can All Agree

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Well apart from Hamas humpers like Moonbat of course, he just pours out an unending screed of hate day after day!!

Simply open your mouth on Israel-Palestine, and faster than you can blink you’ll be labeled either a heartless Zionist or a Hamas terrorist. Both extreme labels are equally fruitless. If we cannot find a middle ground in dialogue, how can we expect Israel and Palestine to find a middle ground during war? After all, peace is what we’re after, right? Right.

In full disclosure my analysis is as a human rights lawyer and a member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community—a 125-year-old worldwide Muslim organization that arrived in Palestine in 1920. Today, Ahmadi Muslims enjoy generous religious freedom in Israel while facing increasing persecution in Palestine. I present this to emphasize the importance of justice and transparency in dialogue — even in the face of injustice. Unfortunately, transparency and dialogue are two characteristics perennially missing in the Israel-Palestine conflict.

If the end goal is peace, then we must acknowledge some realities of the Israel-Palestine conflict without polarizing one another. Ignoring facts doesn’t resolve differences; it simply ensures differences fester unchecked. If we truly want peace — and all sides at least profess to want peace — we must come to the negotiation table accepting 9 facts about the Israel-Palestine conflict.

1. ​Hamas rockets must stop.

This should be a no brainer but for some it is difficult to accept. “Whataboutery” comes into play. What about the illegal occupation? What about the blockade? What about the lopsided numbers of civilians killed? All relevant, but none change the fact that two (or multiple) wrongs don’t make a right. We must condemn Hamas violence, their rockets, and their indiscriminate firing that puts Israeli civilians at risk. The rockets must unconditionally stop.

2. ​The conflict is older than Hamas — a lot older.

The incessant focus on Hamas as the reason for Israel’s self-described acts of self-defense is a red herring. This position pretends we are addressing a 27-year conflict — not a 65-year conflict. Israel’s actions against Palestine, specifically Gaza, stem back far before Hamas even existed. Hamas’s actions and Israel’s repeated claim that Hamas is the root cause of all this fighting proves only one thing — force cannot create peace, at least not lasting peace. Any conversation that ignores pre-1987 is incomplete, insincere, and will ultimately prove ineffective at the negotiation table. Hamas is a symptom of this conflict, but not the root cause.

3. ​If Muslims want peace in Palestine, then they must unite in peace worldwide.

His Holiness the Khalifa of Islam, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, leads the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. While championing separation of mosque and state, His Holiness commands the world’s largest Muslim following with tens of millions of Muslims in over 204 nations. The Muslim world should follow his example of principled leadership precisely because he implores and acts with justice in all fairs — even with those persecuting his community. For example, despite Palestine’s persecution of Ahmadi Muslims, His Holiness has instructed Ahmadi Muslims worldwide to pray for Gaza provide humanitarian aid to civilians of Gaza.

In speaking to Muslim majority nations His Holiness points out a simple fact — how can you demand Israel treat Palestine with peace and justice if you cannot even establish it among yourselves? His Holiness explains,
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With great regret it must be said that today it is the ill fortune of many Muslim countries that they are no longer united. Members of the public are fighting amongst themselves; citizens are also fighting with governments, whilst governments are inflicting cruelty upon their public. Therefore, not only has unity been lost, but great cruelties and injustices are being perpetrated. If the Muslims were united and followed the path of God then the collective strength of the Muslim nations is so great that this cruelty [against Palestine] could never have taken place.
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Before lambasting Israel, Muslim majority nations should lead by example and establish peace with each other.

4. ​Peace cannot exist without justice.

Justice can only exist with peace, and peace can only exist with principled leadership. On this issue His Holiness has demanded justice on both fronts.

To Muslim leaders His Holiness has admonished,
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The Muslim leaders and so-called clerics are not righteous or God fearing and as a result those under their influence are being entirely misguided. The clerics are pushing young people, who know no better, towards evil and cruelty by falsely claiming it will lead them towards God. No one is guiding such youths or the wider Muslim Ummah (community) that such cruelty is neither righteous nor just. What they are doing is not Jihad because murder and bloodshed can only take you away from God.

To Israel and Palestine His Holiness has advised,
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Compared to Israel, the Palestinians have no power or strength. Certainly all cruelty is wrong and so if Hamas is perpetrating cruelty, then the Muslim countries should also stop them. However, if you are to compare the relative strengths and cruelties of the two sides, it is as if one side is using a stick, whilst the other side is utilizing a fully equipped army to perpetrate its injustice. Muslim leaders must take more ownership over their youth, and Israel and Palestine must hold themselves accountable to justice — otherwise peace is a mere fantasy.

​5. ​Palestine was a haven for Jewish refugees before the creation of Israel.

Some insist on arguing that Palestine is inherently anti-Semetic. This is untrue and Palestine’s historical actions prove otherwise. Before Israel’s creation, Palestine willingly accepted some 700,000 Jewish refugees escaping World War I and the Holocaust. This is a massive number considering Palestine’s Muslim population in 1947 was only around 1.2 million. That said, Palestine did not vote for the creation of Israel. Instead Israel’s creation was imposed on Palestine by the United Nations. We often hear the talking point “no country on Earth would tolerate rockets raining down on its civilians.” No doubt this is true, but in fairness we must also accept that no country on Earth would tolerate being split in two without the right to self-determination or a say in the matter. If you disagree, imagine if tomorrow the United Nations decided half of your country would go to another nation of people — while you have no say in the matter. In short, Palestine served as a haven for Jewish refugees before Israel’s creation. It is important to draw on this history when trying to find common ground for the future.

6. ​Since Israel was created by the United Nations, it must live by the United Nations.

The hardline pro-Palestine argument states that since Palestine never approved the creation of Israel, they will not recognize Israel. The pro-Israel side states the opposite — the United Nations created us by democratic vote so we are here to stay. Israel is right. The reality is we cannot undo history. Israel has the right to exist and is here to stay — no amount of arguing or fighting will undo that. That fact established, we cannot stop the UN conversation here.

A nation born by the UN must live by the UN. Since Israel’s creation, the United Nations has passed at least 42 Resolutions against Israel for violating international law — 17 of which were passed before Hamas existed. These include resolutions condemning Israel for illegal practices against civilians in Lebanon, condemning Israel’s contravention of the Fourth Geneva Convention, calling on Israel to withdraw from all Palestinian territories, calling on Israel to recognize the Palestinian right of return, and calling on Israel to respect Muslim holy places. Post-Hamas, the UN has passed Resolutions against Israel to abide by and accept the Fourth Geneva convention, condemning Israel’s invasion of Lebanon, condemning Israel’s killing of UN employees of the World Food Program, and condemning Israel settlements established since 1967 as illegal — all of which have nothing to do with Hamas. This further establishes point two above that Hamas is not the root cause of this conflict.

Unfortunately and remarkably, Israel has asked and the United States has agreed to veto all 42 of these UN Resolutions. Israel cannot have it both ways. It cannot on one hand claim legitimacy by citing the United Nations decision to create Israel, and then ignore UN enforcement to hold Israel accountable to international law. If UN decisions are invalid now, then they were invalid at Israel’s creation. Likewise, and reasonably, since UN decisions were valid upon Israel’s creation, they must also be valid now and Israel must maintain justice accordingly.

7. ​Arab blood and Jewish blood are human blood — and all blood is equal

No justification exists for civilian deaths. The concept of self-preservation or a “zero-sum” game does not work in our global village or by any moral compass. The idea that Arab blood is more valuable than Jewish blood, or that Jewish blood is more valuable than Arab blood, is modern day racism in all its ugliness. A Palestinian child has just as much right as an Israeli child, and vice versa. Any action by either side that ignores this principle is a violation of human rights and derails the peace process. Let us rid ourselves of the cancer of justifying collateral damage and recognize all human life is equal.

8. ​Both sides have committed potential war crimes and must be held accountable accordingly.

Having elected Hamas, Palestine must be accountable to Hamas’s war crimes. Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime. Iron Dome and the comparatively fewer civilian Israeli casualties acknowledged, firing rockets at a civilian population is by definition a war crime. Just because “not as many” Israeli civilians have been killed does nothing to mitigate the fact that firing rockets at civilians is a war crime. Likewise, Hamas cannot hoard illegal weapons in UN schools, especially near refugees, and pretend they are not putting innocent Palestinians in harms way. Such crimes do nothing to promote peace and only aggravate an already volatile situation. Hamas must immediately cease such acts.

As mentioned already, Israel must be accountable to the United Nations and international law. Israel’s use of white phosphorous is a war crime, their use of human shields is a war crime, Israel’s collective punishment of all of Gaza is a war crime, Israel’s target killing of children on a beach playing soccer is a war crime, Israel’s bombing of hospitals is a war crime. These are documented acts by UN Mission reports, independent journalists, and by admission of Israeli soldiers. Rather than ignoring these unjust acts, Israel must own up to these war crimes and immediately cease such acts.

9. ​America must play fair, and so must worldwide Muslim leadership.

Since Israel’s creation nearly seven decades ago, the world has witnessed the same violence again and again. Several peace treaties and efforts have gone by yet we stand no closer to peace. It may seem illogical to compare America to the diversity of Muslim leadership, but that’s the reality we face. America holds UN veto power, and despite the diversity in the Muslim world, the perception is that of a monolith on the Israel-Palestine crisis.

Over the decades, America’s reputation to the rest of the world — and especially the Muslim world — is that of a dishonest thug who enforces its will and blindly sides with Israel. This image cannot be reversed very easily — but it must if we want our ultimate goal of peace. It took decades to create this image. It will take decades to change it but will change if America begins to tread the path of peace with justice and equity. A strong military is most powerful when it exercises restraint, rather than when it uses that might to justify killing civilians.

Likewise, the Muslim world must recognize the right of Israel to exist. Muslims worldwide cannot point to dozens of UN Resolutions against Israel and ignore the singular UN decision to create Israel — such an act demonstrates similar hypocrisy to Israel’s current opposite practice regarding the UN.

The prime focus must be peace.

Peace is only possible by ensuring the sanctity and dignity of all human life — whether Jewish, Muslim or the minority and often ignored Christian Palestinian population suffering through these atrocities. Ignoring such human values only ensures this vicious cycle continues.

In conclusion

Peace cannot exist without justice. A future peace cannot exist without recognizing factual history. The irony is only two types of people will ignore the above guidance — “heartless Zionists” and “Hamas terrorists.” Hopefully the majority of us can build a strong enough middle ground to neutralize both extremes and finally get what we all want — peace.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/9-israel-palestine-facts_b_5643077.html
 
Well apart from Hamas humpers like Moonbat of course, he just pours out an unending screed of hate day after day!!

You won't find any evidence to back your fallacious horseshit. EVERYBODY hates fascism- except fascists- and you're a megaphone for Israeli fascism.
The facts I introduce to this forum are intended to inform those who , to date, have been exposed only to the neoZionist narrative. You're included under that heading.

Of course, I despise the lies that you write here because you're a propaganda pump for Israeli fascism and Israeli fascism is very dangerous to us all. The Brit government is riddled with members of the Israel Lobby just as the US government can't shift from one ass cheek to the other without AIPAC permission.

Blanket support for Israel has cost a deal in terms of blood and treasure. Americans and Brits have died for the ' cause ' of ' Israel's security ' in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and elsewhere . Now the Israelis want us to attack Iran. The frightening part is that we all KNOW that Israel is already trashing international law and therefore weakening the very structure that prevents global warfare. Myopic arses, such as yourself, are unable to see that.

The US is planning to gift 50 billion dollars of US taxpayers cash to Israel in the near future. This when Americans are homeless, uneducated, sick and starving . We should all hate Israeli fascism- but there is no hope for Fools like you who connive to present such criminality as ' moral ' and attempt to slur opponents of fascism as ' racist ' or ' antisemitic '. This is particularly inane as what you post here yourself portrays you as xenophobic and racist.

See you, Jiminy.

Incidentally- with regard to the murder of the Lebanese commander which you cheered in an earlier thread- he was working with us.

The US now has a tacit alliance of convenience with Lebanon’s Hizbullah against Daesh (ISIS, ISIL), but continues to keep the organization on a terrorism list.

http://www.juancole.com/2016/05/hizbullah-commander-explosion.html


Now fuck off and troll somebody who hasn't already got your measure.
 
There is absolutely nothing ' extremist ' in adhering to international law. The occupation is illegal, plain and simple. Building inside occupied territory for a transfer of populations is illegal, plain and simple.
The list of Israel's fascist accomplishments and intents is long.

The Tory brit has had his perceptions adjusted.
 
There is absolutely nothing ' extremist ' in adhering to international law. The occupation is illegal, plain and simple. Building inside occupied territory for a transfer of populations is illegal, plain and simple.
The list of Israel's fascist accomplishments and intents is long.

The Tory brit has had his perceptions adjusted.

I refer you to the following from that excellent HuffPo article written by Qasim Rashid, visiting fellow, at Harvard University’s school of Islamic studies.

1. ​Hamas rockets must stop.
This should be a no brainer but for some it is difficult to accept. “Whataboutery” comes into play. What about the illegal occupation? What about the blockade? What about the lopsided numbers of civilians killed? All relevant, but none change the fact that two (or multiple) wrongs don’t make a right. We must condemn Hamas violence, their rockets, and their indiscriminate firing that puts Israeli civilians at risk. The rockets must unconditionally stop.

4. ​Peace cannot exist without justice.
Justice can only exist with peace, and peace can only exist with principled leadership. On this issue His Holiness has demanded justice on both fronts.
To Muslim leaders His Holiness has admonished,
The Muslim leaders and so-called clerics are not righteous or God fearing and as a result those under their influence are being entirely misguided. The clerics are pushing young people, who know no better, towards evil and cruelty by falsely claiming it will lead them towards God. No one is guiding such youths or the wider Muslim Ummah (community) that such cruelty is neither righteous nor just. What they are doing is not Jihad because murder and bloodshed can only take you away from God.

8. ​Both sides have committed potential war crimes and must be held accountable accordingly.
Having elected Hamas, Palestine must be accountable to Hamas’s war crimes. Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime. Iron Dome and the comparatively fewer civilian Israeli casualties acknowledged, firing rockets at a civilian population is by definition a war crime. Just because “not as many” Israeli civilians have been killed does nothing to mitigate the fact that firing rockets at civilians is a war crime. Likewise, Hamas cannot hoard illegal weapons in UN schools, especially near refugees, and pretend they are not putting innocent Palestinians in harms way. Such crimes do nothing to promote peace and only aggravate an already volatile situation. Hamas must immediately cease such acts.
 
ANY country under invasion has the legal right to resist. NO country has the right to occupy another. ALL invaders within Palestine are legitimate targets as ALL invaders within Palestine are there illegally.

Israel doesn't have a shred of moral right in this conflict, not a shred, and fence-squatting articles are simply contrived to present Israel as an aggreived party. It isn't. It is a fascist and illegal occupier with the same right to occupy Palestine as the Third Reich had to occupy France. NONE.
 
Instead Israel’s creation was imposed on Palestine by the United Nations.

The UNGA resolution you're referencing here was non-binding and had no legal effect (as are all UNGA resolutions). The true basis of the creation of Israel was the use of force by the Jewish militias.
 
And Hamas has stopped firing rockets into Israel per the 2014 ceasefire. Some other organizations (such as ISIS) have launched rockets into Israel, and Israel has bombed Hamas in retaliation (per the 2014 ceasefire, which holds Hamas responsible for all rocket attacks regardless of whether or not they actually initiated them).
 
Well, if we can't agree on the op 'facts', we can all agree that moonie is a 100% jew hating bigot
 
ANY country under invasion has the legal right to resist. NO country has the right to occupy another. ALL invaders within Palestine are legitimate targets as ALL invaders within Palestine are there illegally.

Israel doesn't have a shred of moral right in this conflict, not a shred, and fence-squatting articles are simply contrived to present Israel as an aggreived party. It isn't. It is a fascist and illegal occupier with the same right to occupy Palestine as the Third Reich had to occupy France. NONE.
Exactly what I imagine a Hamas humper would say, there will never be any peace with total intransigence like that.

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And Hamas has stopped firing rockets into Israel per the 2014 ceasefire. Some other organizations (such as ISIS) have launched rockets into Israel, and Israel has bombed Hamas in retaliation (per the 2014 ceasefire, which holds Hamas responsible for all rocket attacks regardless of whether or not they actually initiated them).
That's not true, but nice try though!

http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-strikes-hamas-in-gaza-strip-in-response-to-rockets/

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Well, if we can't agree on the op 'facts', we can all agree that moonie is a 100% jew hating bigot

' ALL ' being you and the Tory Brit Zion-pump- with a couple of degenerate trolls for ballast. Get real, Fraud.
 
Exactly what I imagine a Hamas humper would say, there will never be any peace with total intransigence like that.

Hamas is the democratically-elected government of Palestine- like your fence-squatting article states. Imagine what the Palestinians think of your choice of David Cameron and his Tories. Imagone what YOU'D think if the US and Israel contrived a coup to bring your Tories down- just like they tried against Hamas in 2006. That doesn't appear in your fence-squatting article, does it, Fool.
 
There is absolutely nothing ' extremist ' in adhering to international law. The occupation is illegal, plain and simple. Building inside occupied territory for a transfer of populations is illegal, plain and simple.
The list of Israel's fascist accomplishments and intents is long.

The Tory brit has had his perceptions adjusted.

Firing rockets into a civilian population is a war crime sonny, but arselickers like you don't care.

Having elected Hamas, Palestine must be accountable to Hamas’s war crimes. Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime. Iron Dome and the comparatively fewer civilian Israeli casualties acknowledged, firing rockets at a civilian population is by definition a war crime. Just because “not as many” Israeli civilians have been killed does nothing to mitigate the fact that firing rockets at civilians is a war crime. Likewise, Hamas cannot hoard illegal weapons in UN schools, especially near refugees, and pretend they are not putting innocent Palestinians in harms way. Such crimes do nothing to promote peace and only aggravate an already volatile situation. Hamas must immediately cease such acts.
 
I do not think ISIS has fired into the Golan Heights from Syria as stated above.
There were a few from Lebanon ( probably Hez) - but from all accounts ( at least Israeli) they were from the Syrian (assad) regime

Errant rocket from Syria hits Golan Heights
http://www.timesofisrael.com/errant-rocket-from-syria-hits-golan-heights/

as to the "points we can all agree to" nobody agrees with all of anything in terms of Israel/Gaza/Palestinians..
But they seemed simple enough to at least mostly agree..

And this is why I stay off this topic usually -there isn't agreement over even basic starting points.
 
Firing rockets into a civilian population is a war crime sonny, but arselickers like you don't care.

Of course it is- and your neoZionists do it to the Palestinians on a regular basis. Geez, you're a brainwashed twat.
 
Of course it is- and your neoZionists do it to the Palestinians on a regular basis. Geez, you're a brainwashed twat.

If it bothers you so much why don't you go over there and offer your services as a suicide bomber? I have heard that they are running out of virgins in Heaven, best to get in early to avoid disappointment.
 
If it bothers you so much why don't you go over there and offer your services as a suicide bomber? I have heard that they are running out of virgins in Heaven, best to get in early to avoid disappointment.

You pathetic arse. Having been confronted with the reality of Israel's war crimes- by your own post, no less- you revert into this babbling pomp in the hope that nobody will notice the embarrassed flush in your chubby Tory arse-licking cheeks.
Fuck off, loser. Go kick a refugee.
 
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