40 years ago today - Kent State Massacre

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Dixie said:
But the FBI's investigation swiftly uncovered reliable evidence that suggested otherwise. Among the strongest was a pre-dawn conversation — never before reported — between two unnamed men overheard inside a campus lounge later that night. Their discussion was witnessed by the girlfriend of a Kent State student and conveyed up the FBI chain of command 15 days later.
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wait, this is the equivalent of my best friends sisters boyfriends mom across town who lives with a guy that works with some dude my mom also knows......
 
SmarterThanYou said:
wait, this is the equivalent of my best friends sisters boyfriends mom across town who lives with a guy that works with some dude my mom also knows......
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Yes it is, and that's probably why you never heard much about it. However, that information along with other information, indicates the rioting and protesting was not spontaneous, but radically organized. Most likely, by the Weather Underground. These radicals were determined to push and push until they got a response, and that's what they got. Thanks to Neil Young, it was immortalized forever in song, and became the Pinhead National Anthem for a while.
 
wanderingbear said:
Accurately Bush Sr. was head of the CIA at the time.
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This was a Guard mission, not a Company one. My brothers in arms shot those motherfucking, anti-intellectual retards, not the boys in zoot suits!!

STEAL NOT OUR THUNDER!!!

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T&A said:
This was a Guard mission, not a Company one. My brothers in arms shot those motherfucking, anti-intellectual retards, not the boys in zoot suits!!

STEAL NOT OUR THUNDER!!!

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You're to young and dumb and have to much fun trolling to understand what you're saying. Brother killing brother? Man that's the ultimate in "That's fucked up dude!".

I lost a friend in Vietnam. I have a niece in Iraq in harms way. She's lost friends there. What did they die for? Can you answer me that without resorting to some stupid cliche?

Tin Soldiers and Nixon calling, four dead in Ohio.
 
Southern Man said:
Freedom.
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Bullshit! If we had not fought in Vietnam or Irag our freedoms would be the same as they are now. Neither of those nations were a threat to our freedoms.

Both were places where good men & women died for political reasons.
 
Dixie said:
Crashk: ...I realized I had just witnessed American military kill Americans and began to understand what the rightwing will do to get their way.

This is what I was addressing, in case you missed it.

I agree with you, it was a needless tragedy, and there was no excuse for what happened. That said, I have NEVER heard anyone articulate anything different! It WASN'T a case of "the rightwing doing anything to get their way!" It wasn't premeditated or orchestrated by the Nixon Administration, the National Guard, or the governor of Ohio. It wasn't because the law and order conservatives didn't want kids protesting on campus! None of that is the case, none of that is true, and to insinuate, 40 years after the fact, that such a thing IS true, is disgusting and reprehensible.

I honestly believe the NG thought they were being fired upon, and returned fire... I'll always believe that's what happened, because that is the only thing that makes logical sense to me. They stopped shooting immediately when they realized they weren't being fired on, but the damage was done. Not making excuses, just offering a reasonable explanation of what happened... Maybe they WERE being fired upon, these people did torch the ROTC building... but it still wasn't right, it still shouldn't have happened. It simply wasn't some Grand Nixonian Plot or Rightwing Militia Action. In actuality, it wasn't much different than Ruby Ridge or Waco, aside from the difference between National Guard and ATF guns.
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Where I agree with you about there being no conspiracy to kill students by right wing political leaders (agreed, that's non-sense though Crash is right, right wing propagandist did publish out right lies about Kent State in an attempt to manipulate the situation politically, that's a fact.).

As for thinking they were being fired upon. You can believe that if you want but no one who was around here at the time does. I've talked to guardsmen of that time, here in Ohio, and they were flat out pissed off at the long haired hippie communist un-American college kids who opposed the Vietnam War. What happened was a couple of clowns in the ONG got pissed, lost their composure, said to themselves "Fuck those little assholes" and fired on them. It was those two assholes who fired first that caused the chain reaction of other guardsmen to shoot thinking they were being fired upon. As soon as they realized that was not the case, as you correctly stated, they ceased fire. If you listen closely to the audio of the shooting, which was captured, you can literally hear two shots being fired first by the guardsmen, followed by a volley being fired from the rest.

I've heard interviews of one of those guardsmen who was the first to fire. He's a wacked out nut job and he didn't hear no guns shots. He's a fucking liar. He got pissed off and wanted to teach those kids a lesson and over the years he's made that clear. He should of had his ass court martialed. Had he been the only one to fire he would of cause he fired without orders. He got lucky in that. Had the other guardsmen refrained from firing when he did his ass would have been prosecuted.
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
I've heard interviews of one of those guardsmen who was the first to fire. He's a wacked out nut job and he didn't here no guns shots. He got pissed off and wanted to teach those kids a lesson. He should of had his ass court martialed. Had he been the only one to fire he would of cause he fired without orders.
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You disgrace America with this baseless attack, Mott. :palm:
 
Southern Man said:
America fights for freedom all over the world.
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Our soldiers died in Vietnam for no reason whatsoever. They were not fighting for freedom. They were sent to fight & die without being allowed to fight to win.

While you claim we fight for freedom, you ignore that we set up many of the despotic dictators that later became our enemies. We have meddled in the affairs of sovreign nations for decades. And you would be the first to scream bloody murder if any other nation tried to do the same to us.
 
Southern Man said:
You disgrace America with this baseless attack, Mott. :palm:
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The guardsman disgraced America and the uniform when he opened fire on unarmed students.

Calling him on it is honesty, not disgrace. Seeking the truth is not disgraceful.
 
Southern Man said:
Limey turd.
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Its funny that you want the Tea Party to be able to protest, but apparently don't think any other group deserves the same rights.

Everyone has the same rights. That is the nature of a free society.
 
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