3 Women Hospitalized After Triple Shooting at NW Dallas Hair Salon

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PostmodernProphet said:
except in the places where the shootings occurred........can you point to one that didn't?........
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Sure. Take Fort Hood as an example -- lots of guns there, since it's an actual military base. Yet it's had not one but two mass shootings in recent years.

The problem with this idea that armed people will prevent these killings is, as I said, that guns are terrible for defense. You can be LITERALLY one of the most skilled people on the planet with a firearm, and have a loaded one sitting right on your hip, and you can have an armed and well-trained buddy standing at your side ready to help, but if some dude with a gun wants you dead, you'll be dead before you can even get that gun out of its holster. That's how Chris Kyle's story ends, for instance.
 
ExpressLane said:
If several dozen people start firing at a window someone is going to hit it. It certainly is going to make the shooter less eager to expose himself to shoot.

There were 6 adults shot at Sandy Hook if they had been armed and fired back several kids and adults likely wouldn't have died.

Stupid strawman :palm:
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Whew, my only experience with guns was in the Army, but I know that shooting at someone on the 32rd floor from the ground while under fire is not going to go well, especially with hand guns.

According to your logic, the kids should have been armed
 
PostmodernProphet said:
since the shooter brought his weapon with him, its obvious the situation was going to be deadly when he walked in the door.......if the three women had been armed and prepared to deal with violent hoodlums it might have reduced the number of shooting victims to just one........
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Probably wind up shooting each other

The problem with gun lovers is that they think themselves and everyone who packs is Dirty Harry when Barney Fife is a closer portrayal
 
Mina said:
In countries with lower gun saturation, though, the chance of the shooter having had a firearm with him would have been much lower, so that the chance of a situation like this turning deadly would be much lower.

You can see a proof of concept with Japan, for instance. Yes, in theory it's still possible for a determined criminal to get his hands on a gun there, and if he does, there's almost no chance of one of his potential victims having a gun to defend herself. But it turns out that still leaves the Japanese with VASTLY lower murder rates.

Really, that shouldn't be surprising. Guns are wonderful for offense and garbage for defense. The advantage goes to whoever fires first, who in scenarios like this is going to be the crook. Thus, you get EXTREMELY few genuine cases of someone saving lives by gunning down a shooter... probably fewer people saved that way than there are lives lost to stray bullets intended to be defensive, or deadly shootings by those who misidentify something as a threat when it isn't (e.g., the guy who guns down his own daughter when she lets herself into the house late at night, because he thought she was a burglar).
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It’s common sense

America has more guns, way more guns, in circulation than any other developed nation in the world, consequently, if more guns made us safer, we should be the safest developed nation in the world, but the facts show we are the worse of all developed nations when it comes to gun violence and gun victims
 
archives said:
Incorrect, Whitman shot fifteen people over an hour and half before the police snuck up on him in the tower
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I see you're only buying the scrubbed version. whitmans victim list would have been a lot larger had there not been civilians with their own rifles firing back at him to keep him at bay
 
volsrock said:
98% of Japan are Japanese with only about 2% of the population being foreign
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I'm just glad we cleared up your misunderstanding about there being no Black people in Japan. Now we can work on your misunderstanding about there being no Muslims from the Middle East, no Mexicans, etc.

Yes, it's true that Japan has a smaller share of various ethnicities than the US has. Most notably, the US has a vastly larger share of people of European ancestry than Japan has. But it's a big jump from that to blaming our crime problems here on having too many non-Japanese people.

One good reality check is to look at crime rates by state. The most racially diverse states in the US, in terms of having the lowest percentage of the top racial group in the state are Hawaii and Mississippi, and they are practically on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to crime. Hawaii has the nation's sixth-lowest murder rate, while Mississippi has the fourth highest.

Or look at NY and Alaska. They are almost exactly equally white: 67.9% for NY, 69.3% for Alaska. Yet NY has a murder rate of just 4.2, and Alaska has one of 6.7. You can find pairings like that throughout the rankings. for example, Massachusetts and Missouri are the 27th and 28th whitest states, respectively, but where Massachusetts is our fifth-safest state, with a murder rate of just 2.3, Missouri is like a post-apocalyptic hell-scape -- the second most murderous of all states, with a rate of 11.8. The Massachusetts murder rate is barely above that of Canada, for instance, whereas Missouri is on par with third-world nations like Costa Rica and Namibia.

Speaking of Canada, it's also another instructive case. About 72.9% of Canadians are white and 21.3% are immigrants. Compare that to, say, Arizona, which is also 73.0% white, and has only 13.4% immigrant. Arizonans are well over three times as likely to kill each other as Canadians are.

There's certainly a very strong desire among racists to blame America's problems on Black people, immigrants, and other minorities. But we have examples from around the world and around the country that really undermine that talking point. It's clearly possible to have highly diverse societies where violent crime just isn't a huge problem -- and also possible to have fairly low-diversity places that are absolute train wrecks.
 
archives said:
It’s common sense

America has more guns, way more guns, in circulation than any other developed nation in the world, consequently, if more guns made us safer, we should be the safest developed nation in the world, but the facts show we are the worse of all developed nations when it comes to gun violence and gun victims
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Indeed. And even within the US, when you compare comparably urbanized areas, the ones with more guns are nearly always those that have more gun violence and gun victims (and more violence and violence victims overall, since the gun violence drives those figures up).
 
archives said:
More guns is the answer, we already got more guns than people, but appears that ain’t enough, more guns are needed, maybe the Gov’t can hand them out, be like Social Security numbers, every American gets a semi-automatic weapon when they are born
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Poor anchovies, wrong color shooter. This is not news. Likely there were a half dozen of these last night in
Chicago or minneapolis
 
archives said:
It’s common sense

America has more guns, way more guns, in circulation than any other developed nation in the world, consequently, if more guns made us safer, we should be the safest developed nation in the world, but the facts show we are the worse of all developed nations when it comes to gun violence and gun victims
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One minority is responsible for a disproportionate amount of gun violence. I prefer to be armed so I can defend my family if need be.
 
archives said:
Whew, my only experience with guns was in the Army, but I know that shooting at someone on the 32rd floor from the ground while under fire is not going to go well, especially with hand guns.

According to your logic, the kids should have been armed
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6 adults at Sandy Hook got shot. So stop with the Strawman argument. It just makes you look desperate and stupid.
 
LurchAddams said:
I hope they get him and fry him. The pussy fuck. Shooting unarmed defenseless people. Fuck him. Now's the time we need a Kyle Rittenhouse!
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One had a loaded Glock that he first pointed at Kyles face. One first bludgeoned Kyle on the head and neck with a deadly weapon. One a screamed at Kyle if he caught Kyle alone. Then later the pedophile of 5 young boys had grabbed at the barrel of Kyles gun while attacking Kyle. I think Kyle showed remarkable control to only shoot dangerous rioters that first were threats to his life.
 
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