Did Herman Cain take it? Does anyone know?
3/4 of Covid Recovered Patients have Heart Problems
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Did Herman Cain take it? Does anyone know?
Wow that makes the last five presidents playing golf on the clock. (Reagan didn’t golf.)
First link had no citations. Second was a repeat of the first. Third was a commentary , no study, no conclusion .
Fourth had a paywall.
Fifth had no citations.
You didn’t think I’d notice, did you?
I read and scrutinize this stuff. I guess because I’m published.
Everyone who posts here is published, moosebreath. lol
Here. Refute.
"In this cohort study including 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 identified from a COVID-19 test center, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis."
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916
Citation needed. People magazine headline not recognized. Only asymptomatic inflammation consistent with viral infection recovery has been documented.
The majority of people who have had his bug have never been diagnosed, so the assertion is clearly not reality based.
As a reminder current evidence is that depending upon the area of the country 5/6th to 25/26th of the people who have had it have not been counted as COVID cases.
Jeezus Christ almighty from your own post:
Nothing to refute. You really dont understand the difference between inflammation and damage, do you ?
Yeah and we all have a 4.0 GPA in biology.
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Althea
Althea told me...
Most who had severe cases will have serious health issues for the rest of their lives.
They found blood clots in every organ of the body during autopsies of patients who were hospitalized.
Do you realize you just basically stated that those who died will have serious health issues for the rest of their lives??!!?!?
Believe me , I don’t come here for serious debate, rather amusement.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
inquiring minds want to know what the fuck is wrong with you.......
Jeezus Christ almighty from your own post: Nothing to refute. You really dont understand the difference between inflammation and damage, do you ?
Yeah and we all have a 4.0 GPA in biology.
Okay then, Skippy. Enjoy attending large gatherings, frequenting bars and gyms, and pretending it's no worse than a cold.
Even patients who barely have had symptoms are showing signs of heart damage. Moose is a moron. From my link, above:
"“Our findings demonstrate that participants with a relative paucity of preexisting cardiovascular condition and with mostly home-based recovery had frequent cardiac inflammatory involvement, which was similar to the hospitalized subgroup with regards to severity and extent. Our observations are concordant with early case reports in hospitalized patients showing a frequent presence of late gadolinium enhancement, diffuse inflammatory involvement, and significant rise of troponin T levels.”
Tropinen is a marker that indicates damage to the cardiac muscle. But don't take my word for it.
"Troponins are a group of proteins found in skeletal and heart (cardiac) muscle fibers that regulate muscular contraction. Troponin tests measure the level of cardiac-specific troponin in the blood to help detect heart injury.
"There are three types of troponin proteins: troponin C, troponin T, and troponin I. Troponin C initiates contraction by binding calcium and moves troponin I so that the two proteins that pull the muscle fiber shorter can interact. Troponin T anchors the troponin complex to the muscle fiber structure. There is little or no difference in troponin C between skeletal and cardiac muscle, but the forms of troponin I and troponin T are different. Measuring the amount of cardiac-specific troponin T or troponin I in the blood can help identify individuals who have experienced damage to their heart."
https://labtestsonline.org/tests/tr...ns are a group of,to help detect heart injury.
Those are separated. The second part says those who died in hospitals and were autopsied showed blood clots in many organs.
For our Internet experts on COVID, a primer on inflammation and the immune response:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5805548/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5805548/
It would be interesting to know how long into their recovery the tests were administered in regard to heart attacks which is what the article was about.
Maybe if they had a timeline or something.
"When a person has a heart attack, levels of cardiac-specific troponins I and T can become elevated in the blood within 3 or 4 hours after injury and may remain elevated for 10 to 14 days."
https://labtestsonline.org/tests/tr...ns are a group of,to help detect heart injury
60% had ongoing myocardial inflammation. Is there any timeline info?
Looks like 18 patients got past the initial cardiac involvement while 60 had some ongoing inflammation. Is there some info somewhere on those particular
patients that might show that number getting still lower over time? I understand we'd have to know which ones had the pre-existing issues and fit those
into the appropriate groups.
Using one of your sources.....(I know we're talking about Covid here, not a heart attack)
"When a person has a heart attack, levels of cardiac-specific troponins I and T can become elevated in the blood within 3 or 4 hours after injury and may remain elevated for 10 to 14 days."
https://labtestsonline.org/tests/tro...heart injury
I’ll bet an autopsy will also indicate heart and lungs no longer functioning as well as many if not all other organs.
Cardiac muscle injury causes increase in tropinen levels. The cause of the injury (bacterial or viral infection, myocardial infarction, blunt force trauma, gunshot wound, etc.) doesn't matter.
Yeah. I get that. Just was wonderin' bout a time lime on those specific patients.