2000 Mules

christiefan915 said:
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"The group’s claims of a paid ballot harvesting scheme are supported in the film only by one unidentified whistleblower said to be from San Luis, Arizona, who said she saw people picking up what she “assumed” to be payments for ballot collection. The film contains no evidence of such payments in other states in 2020.

Plus, experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby.

“You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame. “There’s always a pretty healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.”

What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Striegel said. Similarly, there are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. Delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials all have legitimate reasons to cross paths with numerous drop boxes or nonprofits in a given day."

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/05/05/fact-checking-2000-mules-the-movie-alleging-ballot-fraud/
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They filter out all evidence to the contrary.

Thank god real investigations don't do that.
 
ExpressLane said:
Oh Gee ... when they geo tracked a phone starting at a liberal organization then tracked it to a drop box at a given moment in time they can show a video of that person stuffing the drop box with multiple ballots at that same moment in time. They have one person that went to one mule that went to 5 liberal organization and to 28 drop boxes over 6 counties in one day.

To test if geo tracking was useful. They used geo tracking to identify the phones of 5 potential shooter of a murdered 8 year old girl whose case was going cold.. They gave that evidence to the FBI and the FBI made an arrest of the shooter.
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Are you saying video cameras were set up at these locations in advance?
 
christiefan915 said:
You think something like this is proof? Like there could be no other possible explanation?

[FONT=&]"True the Vote has said it found some 2,000 ballot harvesters by purchasing $2 million worth of anonymized cellphone geolocation data — the “pings” that track a person’s location based on app activity — in various swing counties across five states. Then, by drawing a virtual boundary around a county’s ballot drop boxes and various unnamed nonprofits, it identified cellphones that repeatedly went near both ahead of the 2020 election.
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[FONT=&]If a cellphone went near a drop box more than 10 times and a nonprofit more than five times from Oct. 1 to Election Day, True the Vote assumed its owner was a “mule” — its name for someone engaged in an illegal ballot collection scheme in cahoots with a nonprofit."

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THE VIDEOS ARE THE PROOF OF BALLOT BOX STUFFING
 
BartenderElite said:
This should be stickied.

The Big Lie is exactly that.
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They start with their belief that the election was fraudulent. Then they attach every random piece of data they can to the claim, and call it proof. Real proof works in reverse and that's how the non-conspiracy theorists among us know that the election wasn't stolen.
 
I just feel bad for Trump. The man needs help w/ his psychological issues and delusional fantasies.

Movies like this are only enabling.
 
ExpressLane said:
THE VIDEOS ARE THE PROOF OF BALLOT BOX STUFFING
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"In some states, in an attempt to bolster its claims, True the Vote also highlighted drop box surveillance footage that showed voters depositing multiple ballots into the boxes. However, there was no way to tell whether those voters were the same people as the ones whose cellphones were anonymously tracked.

A video of a voter dropping off a stack of ballots at a drop box is not itself proof of any wrongdoing, since most states have legal exceptions that let people drop off ballots on behalf of family members and household members."
 
christiefan915 said:
They start with their belief that the election was fraudulent. Then they attach every random piece of data they can to the claim, and call it proof. Real proof works in reverse and that's how the non-conspiracy theorists among us know that the election wasn't stolen.
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It was the EXACT same thing w/ the Iraq War. They decided they were invading, and cherrypicked "evidence" to justify that decision.
 
christiefan915 said:
They start with their belief that the election was fraudulent. Then they attach every random piece of data they can to the claim, and call it proof. Real proof works in reverse and that's how the non-conspiracy theorists among us know that the election wasn't stolen.
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Exactly. At the beginning of the video all they did was droning on and on about how the election was stolen with some random people going blah blah blah. It was boring as hell. Though there are unintentionally funny parts like this one: "The insurrection wasn't an insurrection. It was a primal scream."
 
christiefan915 said:
Are you saying video cameras were set up at these locations in advance?
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Yes SECURITY CAMERAS BY THE GOVERNMENT. They bought 4 million minutes of video and analyzed it. They looked at the pings that started at the Liberal NGO (where they picked up ballots) then they followed them to the drop boxes where the security video shows them stuffing the ballots. They even had people wearing blue rubber gloves deposit multiple ballots then remove their gloves and discard them. You wouldn't want to leave your finger prints around :laugh:
 
AProudLefty said:
Exactly. At the beginning of the video all they did was droning on and on about how the election was stolen with some random people going blah blah blah. It was boring as hell. Though there are unintentionally funny parts like this one: "The insurrection wasn't an insurrection. It was a primal scream."
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The Big Lie is like a master class in psychology.

Lies become powerful by repetition. People get completely invested.

There are millions who will never believe it wasn't rigged - no matter what the evidence is. Thanks, Trump.
 
ExpressLane said:
Yes SECURITY CAMERAS BY THE GOVERNMENT. They bought 4 million minutes of video and analyzed it. They looked at the pings that started at the Liberal NGO (where they picked up ballots) then they followed them to the drop boxes where the security video shows them stuffing the ballots. They even had people wearing blue rubber gloves deposit multiple ballots then remove their gloves and discard them. You wouldn't want to leave your finger prints around :laugh:
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Well Expressweenie, I'm gonna have to do some digging into this. I never heard of the government planting cameras at voting sites and then not acting if something fishy was going on.
 
ExpressLane said:
Yes SECURITY CAMERAS BY THE GOVERNMENT. They bought 4 million minutes of video and analyzed it. They looked at the pings that started at the Liberal NGO (where they picked up ballots) then they followed them to the drop boxes where the security video shows them stuffing the ballots. They even had people wearing blue rubber gloves deposit multiple ballots then remove their gloves and discard them. You wouldn't want to leave your finger prints around :laugh:
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This I've gotta see, people wearing rubber gloves to drop off ballots for some reason other than Covid.
 
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CLAIM: In Philadelphia alone, True the Vote identified 1,155 “mules” who illegally collected and dropped off ballots for money.

THE FACTS: No, it didn’t. The group hasn’t offered any evidence of any sort of paid ballot harvesting scheme in Philadelphia. And True the Vote did not get surveillance footage of drop boxes in Philadelphia, so the group based this claim solely on cellphone location data, its researcher Gregg Phillips said in March in testimony to Pennsylvania state senators.

Pennsylvania state Sen. Sharif Street, who was there for the group’s testimony in March, told the AP he was confident he was counted as several of the group’s 1,155 anonymous “mules,” even though he didn’t deposit anything into a drop box in that time period. Street said he based his assessment on the fact that he carries a cellphone, a watch with a cellular connection, a tablet with a cellular connection and a mobile hotspot — four devices whose locations can be tracked by private companies. He also said he typically travels with a staffer who carries two devices, bringing the total on his person to six.

During the 2020 election season, Street said, he brought those devices on trips to nonprofit offices and drop box rallies. He also drove by one drop box up to seven or eight times a day when traveling between his two political offices.

“I did no ballot stuffing, but over the course of time, I literally probably account for hundreds and hundreds of their unique visits, even though I’m a single actor in a single vehicle moving back and forth in my ordinary course of business,” Street said.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/05/05/fact-checking-2000-mules-the-movie-alleging-ballot-fraud/
 
christiefan915 said:
[FONT=&]"In some states, in an attempt to bolster its claims, True the Vote also highlighted drop box surveillance footage that showed voters depositing multiple ballots into the boxes. However, there was no way to tell whether those voters were the same people as the ones whose cellphones were anonymously tracked.[/FONT]
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A video of a voter dropping off a stack of ballots at a drop box is not itself proof of any wrongdoing, since most states have legal exceptions that let people drop off ballots on behalf of family members and household members."[/FONT]
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In the states that they have a family member drop you ballot these mules averaged 28 drop box visits. None of those states allowed ballot harvesting or trafficking. 28 drop box visits that is a really big family!!! :laugh:
 
christiefan915 said:
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[FONT=&]CLAIM: In Philadelphia alone, True the Vote identified 1,155 “mules” who illegally collected and dropped off ballots for money.[/FONT]
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THE FACTS: No, it didn’t. The group hasn’t offered any evidence of any sort of paid ballot harvesting scheme in Philadelphia. And True the Vote did not get surveillance footage of drop boxes in Philadelphia, so the group based this claim solely on cellphone location data, its researcher Gregg Phillips said in March in testimony to Pennsylvania state senators.
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[FONT=&]Pennsylvania state Sen. Sharif Street, who was there for the group’s testimony in March, told the AP he was confident he was counted as several of the group’s 1,155 anonymous “mules,” even though he didn’t deposit anything into a drop box in that time period. [/FONT][FONT=&]Street said he based his assessment on the fact that he carries a cellphone, a watch with a cellular connection, a tablet with a cellular connection and a mobile hotspot — four devices whose locations can be tracked by private companies. He also said he typically travels with a staffer who carries two devices, bringing the total on his person to six.[/FONT]
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During the 2020 election season, Street said, he brought those devices on trips to nonprofit offices and drop box rallies. He also drove by one drop box up to seven or eight times a day when traveling between his two political offices.[/FONT]
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“I did no ballot stuffing, but over the course of time, I literally probably account for hundreds and hundreds of their unique visits, even though I’m a single actor in a single vehicle moving back and forth in my ordinary course of business,” Street said.

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The ping is their phone pinging to the cell tower not your their watch and phone talking to each other. :laugh: They eliminated any duplicate signal traveling to the same places at the same time. They can show these mules going to down a road and stopping at multiple drop boxes and stopping at multiple NGOs on the way and when they get to the last one they stop then turn around and go back. Plus they have video of people stuffing drop boxes at 3 am and then taking pictures of the drop box. Some wearing rubber gloves .
 
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AProudLefty said:
Exactly. At the beginning of the video all they did was droning on and on about how the election was stolen with some random people going blah blah blah. It was boring as hell. Though there are unintentionally funny parts like this one: "The insurrection wasn't an insurrection. It was a primal scream."
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"Primal scream" sounds like something a liberal would say. :laugh:
 
christiefan915 said:
"Primal scream" sounds like something a liberal would say. :laugh:
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I wonder if this is "primal scream" to them? :thinking:

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