ExpressLane
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It gets better.
2000 Mules
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AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
I hope so. It is getting too boring. Though there's some unintentionally funny parts.
christiefan915
Catalyst
I don't deny that someone could have made a video claiming it shows wide-scale vote trafficking and ballot box stuffing.
That doesn't mean it's true there was wide scale trafficking and box stuffing.
ExpressLane
Verified User
People stuffing ballots at 3 am don't we all vote then?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Absentee ballots for $3 each.
ExpressLane
Verified User
Well they show quiet a bit of it on government security video.
They can prove people stuffed ballot boxes time after time after time.
ExpressLane
Verified User
Wineos are cheap to pay off.Absentee ballots for $3 each.
They said mules were paid $10 each ballot
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Now they're talking about geo tracking. Wouldn't NSA have those records?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Well they claimed that ballots were garnered at $3 each. Or so this transcribe app says.
christiefan915
Catalyst
"A film opening in hundreds of theaters across the United States this week uses a flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box surveillance footage to cast doubt on the results of the 2020 presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended.
Praised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
But that’s based on faulty assumptions, anonymous accounts and improper analysis of cellphone location data, which is not precise enough to confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to experts."
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/05/05/fact-checking-2000-mules-the-movie-alleging-ballot-fraud/
ExpressLane
Verified User
They have the stuffing videos in multiple states.
BartenderElite
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LIAR. See I caught you again in another provable lie. What is that now 5-6 and I'm not even trying hard.You commenting on a movie that you haven't even seen show how dumb you are.
I think you just like saying LIAR.
I lied about nothing. Show me where I lied - or you are the liar.
BartenderElite
Verified User
Dems didn't cheat.
If you look at REAL evidence, Republicans did: sending fake electors, calling election officials to "find" more votes, trying to pressure the VP to reject legit results.
BartenderElite
Verified User
Yep - think about how many people would need to be involved, even in a few states.
HUNDREDS. Did not happen. Any conspiracy w/ more than a few involved & someone eventually leaks the whole thing.
Mathematically impossible. Sorry your guy lost though.
BartenderElite
Verified User
That's a lie. They can't prove it - or they would have.
These are all lies. The election was not rigged or "stolen." The only reason people think so is because a pathological liar said so. He said the same in '12 and '16, also.
BartenderElite
Verified User
They have videos that they have TOLD you are stuffing.
I've seen all kinds of videos on the internet. They're burning Trump ballots in wheelbarrows! There are suitcases full of ballots...under the desks!
File it all under "sore losers just want to believe."
BartenderElite
Verified User
christiefan915
Catalyst
You think something like this is proof? Like there could be no other possible explanation?
"True the Vote has said it found some 2,000 ballot harvesters by purchasing $2 million worth of anonymized cellphone geolocation data — the “pings” that track a person’s location based on app activity — in various swing counties across five states. Then, by drawing a virtual boundary around a county’s ballot drop boxes and various unnamed nonprofits, it identified cellphones that repeatedly went near both ahead of the 2020 election.
If a cellphone went near a drop box more than 10 times and a nonprofit more than five times from Oct. 1 to Election Day, True the Vote assumed its owner was a “mule” — its name for someone engaged in an illegal ballot collection scheme in cahoots with a nonprofit."
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/05/05/fact-checking-2000-mules-the-movie-alleging-ballot-fraud/
ExpressLane
Verified User
Oh Gee ... when they geo tracked a phone starting at a liberal organization then tracked it to a drop box at a given moment in time they can show a video of that person stuffing the drop box with multiple ballots at that same moment in time. They have one mule that went to 5 liberal organization and to 28 drop boxes over 6 counties in one day.
To test if geo tracking was useful. They used geo tracking to identify the phones of 5 potential shooter of a murdered 8 year old girl whose case was going cold.. They gave that evidence to the FBI and the FBI made an arrest of the shooter.
christiefan915
Catalyst
More from the article.
"The group’s claims of a paid ballot harvesting scheme are supported in the film only by one unidentified whistleblower said to be from San Luis, Arizona, who said she saw people picking up what she “assumed” to be payments for ballot collection. The film contains no evidence of such payments in other states in 2020.
Plus, experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby.
“You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame. “There’s always a pretty healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.”
What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Striegel said. Similarly, there are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. Delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials all have legitimate reasons to cross paths with numerous drop boxes or nonprofits in a given day."
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/05/05/fact-checking-2000-mules-the-movie-alleging-ballot-fraud/
"The group’s claims of a paid ballot harvesting scheme are supported in the film only by one unidentified whistleblower said to be from San Luis, Arizona, who said she saw people picking up what she “assumed” to be payments for ballot collection. The film contains no evidence of such payments in other states in 2020.
Plus, experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby.
“You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame. “There’s always a pretty healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.”
What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Striegel said. Similarly, there are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. Delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials all have legitimate reasons to cross paths with numerous drop boxes or nonprofits in a given day."
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/05/05/fact-checking-2000-mules-the-movie-alleging-ballot-fraud/