20 years after welfare reform

Bill said:
Have you looked??

Out in rural areas there is a higher percent in shitty schools but look @ you own city....... Or our state..

Do you agree that poor kids should have to go to poor schools & rich kids should get to go to rich schools??

Do you think those kids forced into poor schools start w/ an advantage? Disadvantage? or same as rich kids??
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The problem is, find a method to finance education other than local property taxes that is both equitable and provides the necessary funding. We admitted a long time ago in our State that funding education with property taxes in that it is inherently inequitable. In Ohio in wealthier communities we have some of the best schools in the nation but in our poor rural counties we have some of the worst.

We have recognized that our current system has created this problem but have yet to find a fair and equitable solution that works...AND NO WACKO we tried Charter schools and they have been an abysmal failure.
 
cawacko said:
There's a huge waste in the beaucracy which is why charter schools have such appeal
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Yea except you then end up with businessmen running the show who are more concerned about their bottom line than the kids education with the end result that their performance sucks.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh Jesus God Wacko. How many charter schools have to fail and produce poorer results before you will recognize that they are a drain on public education resources. Freaken like 75% of them have failed in Ohio and Ohio isn't exactly Mississippi when it comes to education.
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I believe that the German model of Gynasium, Realschule and Hauptschule has much merit to it. We are planning to bring back Grammars schools in England and Wales, which are selection only.

http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/germanschools.htm
 
Milagro said:
I believe that the German model of Gynasium, Realschule and Hauptschule has much merit to it. We are planning to bring back Grammars schools in England and Wales, which are selection only.

http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/germanschools.htm
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I'll have to read up on that. Sounds interesting. You do realize that you've lost every right winger on JPP on this topic as they are sure that if the Europeans are doing it, IT'S SOCIALISM!!! LOL
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh Jesus God Wacko. How many charter schools have to fail and produce poorer results before you will recognize that they are a drain on public education resources. Freaken like 75% of them have failed in Ohio and Ohio isn't exactly Mississippi when it comes to education.
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compared with 100% of public schools.......a sure sign of progress in education.....
 
Irish said:
I noticed Zake Flaked in response to my question.
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You're going to have to be more specific what you think I missed because I think I directly answered your question why I don't think national education is a problem only for big city mayors like you do
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
It could very well be that liberals don't want the poor educated; because then they might just realize how things actually work and switch to the right.
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I'm not stuck on the right/left thing you are. I care who is trying to help bring the bottom part of the country up and right now that's liberals. If you start trying instead of making excuses to nothing, I have no problem switching to your side. However, there is no sign of that happening. You do nothing, nothing, nothing and more of nothing. Blaming the poor even if it were their fault doesn't solve the problem
 
PostmodernProphet said:
compared with 100% of public schools.......a sure sign of progress in education.....
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It's sad when teachers in such a rich and powerful nation have to buy their own supplies and can't earn a living remotely comparable to their market value. Teachers care and we don't have to pay them top dollar. But they shouldn't have to live and work like they are in the Peace Corps either
 
Mott the Hoople said:
The problem is, find a method to finance education other than local property taxes that is both equitable and provides the necessary funding. We admitted a long time ago in our State that funding education with property taxes in that it is inherently inequitable. In Ohio in wealthier communities we have some of the best schools in the nation but in our poor rural counties we have some of the worst.

We have recognized that our current system has created this problem but have yet to find a fair and equitable solution that works...AND NO WACKO we tried Charter schools and they have been an abysmal failure.
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No solution will come easy, but apparently anything giving schools equal funding is off the table...
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh Jesus God Wacko. How many charter schools have to fail and produce poorer results before you will recognize that they are a drain on public education resources. Freaken like 75% of them have failed in Ohio and Ohio isn't exactly Mississippi when it comes to education.
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Jesus God what? Charter schools by themselves are not a panacea but they have produced some excellent results in areas where public schools have failed for years. Go look at Harlem and NYC if you want some great examples. Not all charter schools are successes but the good thing is they generally shut them down when they aren't.

And they don't drain money from public schools. That's the teacher unions response. They offer an alternative to schools that aren't educating kids at a sufficient level.
 
Bill said:
No solution will come easy, but apparently anything giving schools equal funding is off the table...
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Some of the poorest areas of the country get the most funding per student. That's the point, at a certain point this argument has surpassed "we need more money". There has to be results and when they don't happen there need to be changed. But some people are afraid of change in education.
 
Zake said:
It's sad when teachers in such a rich and powerful nation have to buy their own supplies and can't earn a living remotely comparable to their market value. Teachers care and we don't have to pay them top dollar. But they shouldn't have to live and work like they are in the Peace Corps either
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given that we already pay more per student than almost everywhere, and the highest per student cities in the US are also the one with the worst school systems (for example Detroit, Buffalo and Washington DC, the problem isn't that a rich and powerful nation makes its teachers buy their own supplies.....the problem is that corrupt Democrat leadership wastes so much money that they can't afford to buy pencils.......
 
Bill said:
No solution will come easy, but apparently anything giving schools equal funding is off the table...
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odd.....we have equal funding in Michigan, brought to us by a Republican governor (Engler) decades ago.......in fact MORE is spent per student in the Detroit schools than anywhere else in the state........the only problem they have left is being run by Democrats.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I see your point......that's what makes you so easy to dismiss.......
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LOL, not many find me easy to dismiss, and the ones who do so do it out of missing something. All you said was we're going to oppose a conservative, I'm not sure I see the depth of that statement that you seem to find
 
PostmodernProphet said:
given that we already pay more per student than almost everywhere, and the highest per student cities in the US are also the one with the worst school systems (for example Detroit, Buffalo and Washington DC, the problem isn't that a rich and powerful nation makes its teachers buy their own supplies.....the problem is that corrupt Democrat leadership wastes so much money that they can't afford to buy pencils.......
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Yes, and that does lead to a great question. Where is the money going?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
odd.....we have equal funding in Michigan, brought to us by a Republican governor (Engler) decades ago.......in fact MORE is spent per student in the Detroit schools than anywhere else in the state........the only problem they have left is being run by Democrats.......
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Who should run it??
 
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