130 Americans will commit suicide today, but Democrats don't care

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Hello Concart,

Concart said:
I know you've been here long enough to know that evidence isn't required. You just make something up, and claim 'the left', or Democrats, or commies, or libturds don't care about that something. Here are the threads I could start today, just for the heck of it.

'Ten dead in mass shooting, libturds support the shooter'
'Covid variants causing concern, Democrats are fine with it'
Some black guy did something to a white person, MSM doesn't mention it.

You get the idea. This is grievance politics, and if you don't have a real grievance, you just make one up, and be sure to have the proper level of OUTRAGE over the made up 'Democrat' response.
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No problem. I will simply call it out for being the BS that it is.
 
Nordberg said:
They kill themselves with guns. It makes desperate acts more efficient. Since we do not want to invest sufficiently in mental health, we will just watch people kill themselves and brag about how they can get guns so easily. The government should demand everyone have a gun. Do you know how much safer that would make America?
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About half of them do. No doubt guns are efficient and, if a gun owner, easier to use than going down the Pharmacy for a Dr. Kevorkian Do-It-Yourself kit.

Anyone who thinks banning all guns today, including making all guns immediately disappear into thin air, will stop suicides is fooling themselves.

There a lots of ways to kill oneself. The necktie in the door jam method and some drugs or liquor are quite effective and much less messy. Painless too.

An aunt of mine committed suicide. She'd made several attempts over her life before she literally pulled the trigger on a .38 revolver in her late 60s. She was bipolar.

Now tell me that if that .38 hadn't been in the house she would never have committed suicide. Please. I want to see someone prove they are stupid enough to post such a thing.


My wife's older brother committed suicide in his early 30s(?). He was a Vietnam vet with PTSD and a heroin addiction. He used a gun too. Someone please tell my wife that if guns were banned her brother would be alive today.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Link? While I agree despair can lead to suicide, is that the same link that poverty leads to crime?

It's not how many Trillions are spent by the Democrats or Republicans; it's how that money is spent. It's what the focus is upon.

Consider Bush bailing out the Banks and GM. The problem was "too big to fail". Sure, the bailouts were necessary because they were "too big to fail". Result? Now airlines, along with banks and car companies are too big to fail. Congress didn't do a fucking thing to prevent it from happening again. They just did like Democrats: Throw money at it and hope it goes away.

If Trump had his way, Trump's Folly would have stretched from Brownsville, TX to San Diego, CA at a cost of $50B and about the same every year for guards and upkeep. How would that stop illegal immigration when 60% of illegals were Visa overstays? Answer: It wouldn't have because the wall only treated the symptoms.

Now tell me the Democrats aren't doing the same with mental illness and their gun fetish?
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This is too easy.

DEMOCRATS, without the help of one single Republican, just spent a bunch on MENTAL HEALTH:

"The bill would also provide abut $3 billion for states to help address mental health and substance use disorders, which have been exacerbated by the pandemic. "

What's inside the $1.9T COVID-19 bill passed by Congress
 
LV426 said:
Dutch: *Cries crocodile tears over suicides*

Me: So then you support Medicare-for-All which would give everyone mental health services?

Dutch: No.

Me: So then you support mandatory mental health pre-screenings for every gun owner and prospective gun owner?

Dutch: No.

Me: So you're just complaining about it for the sake of complaining about it?

Dutch: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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That old "SO THEN" slant. I eat fish ... SO THEN you murder the animals of the Sea you Fish killer.
 
Hello Poor Richard Saunders,

Poor Richard Saunders said:
One little thing about those stats. 1.4 million suicide attempts and 48,000 successful attempts.
That means the average suicide attempt is successful 3.4% of the time
Attempted suicide by gun is successful about 90% of the time while making up 5% of attempts.
Your source says half of successful suicides are with firearms.
Purely from a statistics standpoint, eliminating guns would eliminate over 20,000 successful suicides since other methods are not nearly as effective.

Don't you think eliminating 40-50% of suicides is a goal you would be happy to achieve? Or do results not really count?
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Cha-ching!

Point well made by Poor Richard Saunders.

That's one for you...
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Actually, your false accusations, name-calling and hyperbole work for me since it proves my point in both the OP here and on the Yankees thread.

Ergo, why would I want you to stop? :)
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There have been no false accusations nor name-calling in my posts. You previously accused me of making insults even though none were to be found in any of my posts.

All of this diversionary nonsense is an attempt to try to distract from the fact that you made a cheap-shot baseless claim about Democrats in general which, upon being called out on it, you have been unable to back it up with any supporting evidence.

The fact of the matter is that Democrats care more about other people than Republicans do.

It is Democrats who look out for the plight of the poor while it is Republicans who are always trying to take away government services for the poor.

Poor people are more likely to commit suicide because of financial insecurity than rich people.

Poor people are less likely to be able to afford mental health counseling, and when Democrats included billions of dollars for mental health counseling in the latest COVID relief Act, Republicans refused to vote for it.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
About half of them do. No doubt guns are efficient and, if a gun owner, easier to use than going down the Pharmacy for a Dr. Kevorkian Do-It-Yourself kit.

Anyone who thinks banning all guns today, including making all guns immediately disappear into thin air, will stop suicides is fooling themselves.

There a lots of ways to kill oneself. The necktie in the door jam method and some drugs or liquor are quite effective and much less messy. Painless too.

An aunt of mine committed suicide. She'd made several attempts over her life before she literally pulled the trigger on a .38 revolver in her late 60s. She was bipolar.

Now tell me that if that .38 hadn't been in the house she would never have committed suicide. Please. I want to see someone prove they are stupid enough to post such a thing.


My wife's older brother committed suicide in his early 30s(?). He was a Vietnam vet with PTSD and a heroin addiction. He used a gun too. Someone please tell my wife that if guns were banned her brother would be alive today.
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Your personal experience is telling you something you don't want to hear. Your aunt tried several times and was not successful until she used a gun. If your wife's brother didn't have a gun, it seems he might be alive because he might have survived several attempts without that gun.

Demanding the solution prevent all suicides is simply a logical fallacy on your part. Mental health care for all will never prevent all suicides. There is no all or nothing when solving the problem. No solution will be perfect. It is just a question of whether you truly want to decrease the number of suicides or not. Clearly you don't because you are taking solutions off the table without examining them at all.
 
Democrats care about other people and they care about how well society is doing.

Republicans only appear to me to care about tax cuts for the rich.

Oh, I was wrong. Republicans care about unborn fetuses up until the moment of birth, and from then on they are on their own.

Republicans care about the unborn for 9 months; Democrats care about them for the rest of their lives.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,



There have been no false accusations nor name-calling in my posts. You previously accused me of making insults even though none were to be found in any of my posts.

All of this diversionary nonsense is an attempt to try to distract from the fact that you made a cheap-shot baseless claim about Democrats in general which, upon being called out on it, you have been unable to back it up with any supporting evidence.

The fact of the matter is that Democrats care more about other people than Republicans do.

It is Democrats who look out for the plight of the poor while it is Republicans who are always trying to take away government services for the poor.

Poor people are more likely to commit suicide because of financial insecurity than rich people.

Poor people are less likely to be able to afford mental health counseling, and when Democrats included billions of dollars for mental health counseling in the latest COVID relief Act, Republicans refused to vote for it.
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When I first came on to the internets I was very kind and never insulted people


I was always accused of it anyway


The right sees accurate facts as an insult
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed.

OTOH, thanks for proving the "Unity" meme is bullshit. :)

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Nope. When it comes to guns, ANY talk of ANY measures is a red cape, and you are the enraged bull. Your arguments are what the bull leaves behind. You've decided this is a hill you want to die on. YOU are the one giving no quarter. Agree with you, or we 'don't care about suicide'. That's an intellectually dishonest and lazy argument. Do better, or this is what you get.
 
PoliTalker said:
Democrats care about other people and they care about how well society is doing.

Republicans only appear to me to care about tax cuts for the rich.

Oh, I was wrong. Republicans care about unborn fetuses up until the moment of birth, and from then on they are on their own.

Republicans care about the unborn for 9 months; Democrats care about them for the rest of their lives.
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They don’t really care about the fetus or they would back healthcare for all


They only care about the fetus so they can control the lives of others
 
Concart said:
Nope. When it comes to guns, ANY talk of ANY measures is a red cape, and you are the enraged bull. Your arguments are what the bull leaves behind. You've decided this is a hill you want to die on. YOU are the one giving no quarter. Agree with you, or we 'don't care about suicide'. That's an intellectually dishonest and lazy argument. Do better, or this is what you get.
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The vast majority of Americans back gun control

The Republican Party don’t care about the people


It’s why they cheat in elections

They only care about control and wealth
 
Dutch Uncle said:
As noted in the link below, suicide will take, on average, 131 lives in the US today. Suicide is the tenth leading cause of death in the US overall but spikes in certain demographics. Why don't the Democrats care? Why do they believe banning guns will same more lives than better mental health care?

IMO, they don't care about saving lives. They only care about control. Nanny Statism is a Democratic ideal: an all-powerful Federal government which dictates what Americans, think, believe and do "for their own good". "For the children". That is not the Founders had in mind when they wanted Freedom for all.

https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/annual/measure/Suicide/state/ALL
Nationally, the suicide rate increased 25.4% from 1999 to 2016, with increases occurring in every state, save for Nevada. In 2018, there were an estimated 1.4 million suicide attempts and more than 48,000 deaths by suicide, making it the tenth leading cause of death in the United States. Firearms were involved in half of all suicides, and there were more than twice as many deaths by suicide than by homicide.

Societal costs associated with suicide and suicide attempts were estimated at $93.5 billion. These costs include lifetime medical fees and lost work costs.....

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You have a rather laughably stupid opinion, utterly unmoored from objective reality.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Awwww, now you're lying. First, it's more than one gun. Second, it's more than one type.

Since you've proved to be disingenuous, why should I believe you'll stop there? Let's say you ban all semi-automatic, removable magazine rifles and high capacity magazines.

What happens when someone commits mass murder with a bolt action sniper rifle like the Texas Tower shooter or blows away ten people in a Walmart with a shotgun. Will you be advocating better mental health care then or will you be advocating to "ban those evil guns"?

If a 10 round magazine limit is good, isn't a 5-round magazine limit better according to Democratic ideology?
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And will all guns be banned?



Fuck no


So stop pretending it’s banning guns
 
Oom has me completely figured out.

I'll live with the suicides and take the nanny state socialism.

Sounds like a good deal, Oom.

Let's start now.
 
Hello evince,

evince said:
When I first came on to the internets I was very kind and never insulted people


I was always accused of it anyway


The right sees accurate facts as an insult
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I hope you know that's BS.

There's good people and bad people on both sides.

There's exaggeration on both sides, nasty insults on both sides, and very polite people on both sides.

Both sides have their BS talkers and their sincere people who say what they mean and mean what they say.

Those we/they stereotypes go a long way with a lot of people.

Not with me.

And you know that. We've been around enough that none of this post comes as any surprise.

How are you today?

Sounds like you're firing on all cylinders.
 
AR15 type weapons are needed by no fucking one in this nation



All they do is kill people


Find another fucking toy to take to the range so Americans don’t have to fear being blown to shit when they go outside
 
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