Has Ted Nugent been Dixie Chicked?

Yurt said:
as i predicted...zappa has yet to address this
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What?

Is the Yurtard sad because I refuse to engage in another one of his patented thread derailments?

Oh Boo Hoo Hoo!!

How sad I won't get bogged down in his petty attempt to steer the discussion away from the Racist Rightie RockStar.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
What?

Is the Yurtard sad because I refuse to engage in another one of his patented thread derailments?

Oh Boo Hoo Hoo!!

How sad I won't get bogged down in his petty attempt to steer the discussion away from the Racist Rightie RockStar.
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right...so instead you will throw a temper tantrum and insult. way to stay on the thread topic.

LOL

i knew you couldn't explain how i derailed the thread by responding to onceler. poor angry zappa.
 
Darla said:
Oh please.

"Americans need to watch what they say" Ari Fleisher.

Imagine if Obama's press spokesperson said that! STY's guns would all fire spontaneously and he would most likely no longer be with us!
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So, saying people should watch what they say... how does that limit speech? He is making a suggestion, not imposing a mandate.

I know terminology is something that you liberals have a very hard time with.
 
Superfreak said:
So, saying people should watch what they say... how does that limit speech? He is making a suggestion, not imposing a mandate.

I know terminology is something that you liberals have a very hard time with.
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It's unbecoming to get all parsey about it. It certainly discouraged speech. That, combined with the Dixie Chicks boycott, combined with calling just about anyone who disagreed w/ Bush a "traitor" or "terrorist lover," had a net effect of sending a chill through the populace and keeping people quiet. Call it what you want, but it wasn't a vibrant marketplace of ideas, where dissent was welcomed & new ideas were encouraged. To me, it didn't feel at all like what America is about.
 
Yurt's hilarious. The conversation is about Bush, Iraq and the Dixie Chicks, and of course, all he can do is his usual "what about Obama? what about lefties? huh? huh?"

Crazy...
 
Onceler said:
Please see previous reply to Superfreak. You sound like him with the "do explain," anyway.
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that explained your reasons for bush and you coupled it with other factors that don't apply to obama. i used obama specifically for that reason. i want to know how the phrase limits free speech.

you analysis with regards to bush is poppycock. it is not limiting speech
 
Yurt said:
that explained your reasons for bush and you coupled it with other factors that don't apply to obama. i used obama specifically for that reason. i want to know how the phrase limits free speech.

you analysis with regards to bush is poppycock. it is not limiting speech
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Free speech should be encouraged & celebrated, not discouraged. If a President is vaguely warning the populace to "be careful" or whatever, that ain't what we're about. Just my opinion. It discourages speech, induces some fear, and the net effect is that there are fewer ideas to work with. In that sense - to me - it has limited speech.

You & Freak are talking about legal limits or infringements (I think) - there hasn't been any of that. I'm talking in terms of net results.
 
Rana said:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/article/2003/dec/15/00012/
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I remember being so furious when this happened. And when I complained about it on the old boards, you never saw such nastiness in response.

When Bush came to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, “The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us.” The local police, at the Secret Service’s behest, set up a “designated free-speech zone” on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush’s speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, though folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president’s path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, “As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.”
 
christiefan915 said:
I remember being so furious when this happened. And when I complained about it on the old boards, you never saw such nastiness in response.

When Bush came to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, “The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us.” The local police, at the Secret Service’s behest, set up a “designated free-speech zone” on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush’s speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, though folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president’s path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, “As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.”
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People were harassed for the statements on their t-shirts, that is how bad it got!
 
Onceler said:
Free speech should be encouraged & celebrated, not discouraged. If a President is vaguely warning the populace to "be careful" or whatever, that ain't what we're about. Just my opinion. It discourages speech, induces some fear, and the net effect is that there are fewer ideas to work with. In that sense - to me - it has limited speech.

You & Freak are talking about legal limits or infringements (I think) - there hasn't been any of that. I'm talking in terms of net results.
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do explain how speech was chilled during bush and obama's presidency since you're talking "net results".....what i see is that speech has actually increased during both president's terms. i have not seen any diminishing of speech at all, except for the specific examples cited, such as the protest law. you're just hyper-sensitive and see boogeymen where there are none.
 
Yurt said:
Free speech limit signed by Obama

http://valleybreeze.com/2012/04/17/north-providence/free-speech-limit-signed-by-obama
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christiefan915 said:
I remember being so furious when this happened. And when I complained about it on the old boards, you never saw such nastiness in response.

When Bush came to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, “The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us.” The local police, at the Secret Service’s behest, set up a “designated free-speech zone” on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush’s speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, though folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president’s path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, “As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.”
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i don't recall you "being so furious" when obama signed the above law....
 
Yurt said:
do explain how speech was chilled during bush and obama's presidency since you're talking "net results".....what i see is that speech has actually increased during both president's terms. i have not seen any diminishing of speech at all, except for the specific examples cited, such as the protest law. you're just hyper-sensitive and see boogeymen where there are none.
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Then you're blind...what can I tell you? As I said previously on this thread, people have talked openly about not wanting to be "Dixie Chicked." Particularly during the Iraq War w/ Ari's comments and the boycott, and people getting called "traitor" left & right, speech was definitely chilled. Dissent was frowned upon and often attacked, in a very open way.

I mean, it's absurd to say that dissenting speech wasn't discouraged during that time. You live on a different planet, Yurtsie.
 
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