Ann Romney Has No Dignity?

Rana said:
This is the way I understand it. They were talking in the context of economics and Ann Romney doesn't have any idea what the "average" women may deal with as far as the econonmy goes. Mitt said he confers with her and it went from there. She may know what it is like to raise five boys, but did she ever have to tell them, no, because they couldn't afford it? I don't think so.
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Exactly. Like you and I can speak from the same context as middle-class Americans whereas AR has only the context of high income, whether in her own family or her husband's. Sure we can all sit down together with Ann and commiserate about the homework wars or the terrible twos but as far as money goes, forget it.

And before the RWs jump all over me, I don't know a whole lot about AR except what's been in the news lately. She seems like a nice woman who's had her share of trials (breast cancer, MS). But she's not like the average woman with a health condition who works, raises children, keeps up a house and schedules her radiation treatments for Friday so she has the weekend to recover from them.
 
Damocles said:
They say it about Ann Romney. She "couldn't possibly understand", there are cartoons all over with her servants objecting, etc.

They dismiss her because of her career choice, then say she can't understand basic human concepts all based on what she chose to do and because she married a successful man. I'll repeat. It is disgusting to dismiss her contribution because you want to pretend she is inhuman and incapable of any understanding due to the facts that she 1. was a stay at home mother and 2. is married to a rich man.



If you ask again "who" is doing that, then you simply aren't paying attention.
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Her husband, Mitt, says that women with children should experience the dignity of work when their children become two years old. I disagree but that is what Mitt said.
 
Rune said:
No. "They" are saying she doesn't understand what average american women are going through. The rest is your projection.
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It is the "why" they are saying it. And Theresa Heinz could understand, but this woman cannot because she chose to be a stay at home mother and married a successful man. We must dismiss her, therefore she "couldn't possibly understand"... Either you believe her to be something other than human or are dismissing her for what you think are "faults"... like "never having a job in her life"... (yeah, that is a dismissal for being a stay at home mom) and she "just can't understand" because you know she married some guy with money...

I get it, you will do and say anything to think it is okay to say it about one, but not about the other. I understand that, but not only do I find it weak, but it is clearly insulting to others who make these same decisions.
 
Damocles said:
It is the "why" they are saying it. And Theresa Heinz could understand, but this woman cannot because she chose to be a stay at home mother and married a successful man. We must dismiss her, therefore she "couldn't possibly understand"... Either you believe her to be something other than human or are dismissing her for what you think are "faults"... like "never having a job in her life"... (yeah, that is a dismissal for being a stay at home mom) and she "just can't understand" because you know she married some guy with money...

I get it, you will do and say anything to think it is okay to say it about one, but not about the other. I understand that, but not only do I find it weak, but it is clearly insulting to others who make these same decisions.
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people that do not have to cope with money as a stay at home parent are not likely to understand the problems of stay at home parents that have to be very careful with their money to keep room and board for their family
 
Don Quixote said:
people that do not have to cope with money as a stay at home parent are not likely to understand the problems of stay at home parents that have to be very careful with their money to keep room and board for their family
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This is just foolish, people can understand people through their actions, what they say, what they see.

The assumption that you become retarded suddenly because you married a successful man/woman is preposterous. Then to say that it was because she was able to stay home with the kids while she battled cancer and dealt with MS without worrying about the fridge just makes it into a grossly inept argument. One can understand that their job could be more difficult in different circumstances without having to live in those circumstances. One can feel compassion for a starving kid in Africa without ever having been there, or having ever starved.

The reality is, she is a human being with the ability to sympathize and empathize, and yes even understand, even if she is "rich". Just like Theresa Heinz...
 
Damocles said:
This is just foolish, people can understand people through their actions, what they say, what they see.

The assumption that you become retarded suddenly because you married a successful man/woman is preposterous. Then to say that it was because she was able to stay home with the kids while she battled cancer and dealt with MS without worrying about the fridge just makes it into a grossly inept argument. One can understand that their job could be more difficult in different circumstances without having to live in those circumstances. One can feel compassion for a starving kid in Africa without ever having been there, or having ever starved.

The reality is, she is a human being with the ability to sympathize and empathize, and yes even understand, even if she is "rich". Just like Theresa Heinz...
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she does not understand the challenges of a working single parent - not unless she gets to know some rather well. in other words, she would have to work at

i have been a single working parent as has been my wife, and until you have experiences/problems/challenges like that i challenge you to understand the pressures of working while on a tight budget and trying to keep your kids fed, clothed and housed
 
Don Quixote said:
she does not understand the challenges of a working single parent - not unless she gets to know some rather well. in other words, she would have to work at
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Which she does, speaking to more than her fair share of women along this campaign trail.

i have been a single working parent as has been my wife, and until you have experiences/problems/challenges like that i challenge you to understand the pressures of working while on a tight budget and trying to keep your kids fed, clothed and housed
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I understand them well, I am the sole supporter of an entire family and have been for a very long time now. This assumption that success would take away my capacity to understand such things is a ridiculous assumption based on what you want to feel rather than what we know of people.
 
Damocles said:
Which she does, speaking to more than her fair share of women along this campaign trail. - link


I understand them well, I am the sole supporter of an entire family and have been for a very long time now. This assumption that success would take away my capacity to understand such things is a ridiculous assumption based on what you want to feel rather than what we know of people.
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at least you have a partner to share the burden at home raising your children

how much harder do you think it would be without such a partner

i do not know if your children have reached/passed their teenage years, but i had to cope with my son and my girlfriends son (she could not cope with him and sent him to live with my son and I - we had a long distance relationship where she lived in the bay area and i lived in the la area) alone and work, thank goodness for costco
 
Damocles said:
It is the "why" they are saying it. And Theresa Heinz could understand, but this woman cannot because she chose to be a stay at home mother and married a successful man. We must dismiss her, therefore she "couldn't possibly understand"... Either you believe her to be something other than human or are dismissing her for what you think are "faults"... like "never having a job in her life"... (yeah, that is a dismissal for being a stay at home mom) and she "just can't understand" because you know she married some guy with money...

I get it, you will do and say anything to think it is okay to say it about one, but not about the other. I understand that, but not only do I find it weak, but it is clearly insulting to others who make these same decisions.
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Did Theresa Heinz claim to relate to common women? Why don't I remember that?
 
has anyone noticed that for the last three years Obama has had opportunity to do something to help working single mothers and hasn't......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
has anyone noticed that for the last three years Obama has had opportunity to do something to help working single mothers and hasn't......
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Has anyone noticed that the party of "NO" hasn't done a damned thing for good legislation to help the economy, help the creation of jobs, help in the health care crises, help in women's rights and protections or anything at all to help America? Surely I'm not the only one that has noticed what deadbeat welfare queens the Repuke reps and senators are? If they're not willing to work they need to put someone in their places that will.
 
Gatorman said:
Has anyone noticed that the party of "NO" hasn't done a damned thing for good legislation to help the economy, help the creation of jobs, help in the health care crises, help in women's rights and protections or anything at all to help America?
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I certainly have.....the party of NO tax reform.....the party of NO social security reform......the party of NO medicare reform......the party of NO education reform......the party of NO spending cuts.......the party of NO budgets.......the party of NO change and hope......the party of NO jobs.......the party of NO domestic energy........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I certainly have.....the party of NO tax reform.....the party of NO social security reform......the party of NO medicare reform......the party of NO education reform......the party of NO spending cuts.......the party of NO budgets.......the party of NO change and hope......the party of NO jobs.......the party of NO domestic energy........
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WOW, all that, too!! Easy to see how you flunked out of preacher school.
 
christiefan915 said:
Even if she didn't have nannies, big deal. The kids were pretty specific in saying no staff helped raise them, not that there was no staff, period. It's a lot easier spending time with the kids when cooking, laundry, cleaning, etc. are done by paid help.
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Please show us evidence that they had people doing the cooking, laundry, cleaning, etc...

You and most liberals keep stating it as if it is fact, while ignoring the fact that by the time Mitt made the bulk of his fortune most of his kids were grown up.
 
Superfreak said:
Please show us evidence that they had people doing the cooking, laundry, cleaning, etc...

You and most liberals keep stating it as if it is fact, while ignoring the fact that by the time Mitt made the bulk of his fortune most of his kids were grown up.
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What does that mean, "he made the bulk of his fortune, etc."? Let's say he increased his holdings from two million to 250 million, sure, that's an increase but he also wasn't poor to start with. Mitt didn't climb up from poverty and never had a hardscrabble existence.

And I didn't say with certainty that the Romney's had household help when the kids were young, just that there's a difference between no nanny and no help whatsoever.
 
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