State's Rights

Superfreak said:
Why do you assume it didn't anger me? It does. The asshole should be in jail. Period.

But that doesn't give you license to slander Libertarians and pretend that they support the actions (or rather inaction) of this police department (which lies in a heavily democratic precinct by the way).
Click to expand...

Wow. This is not about what particular events Libertarians support. This is about how their ideology and laws impact others. And how that impact in turn, effects how these others view them.
 
Superfreak said:
Again, the point you cannot grasp is that this racist behavior occurred in a heavily Democratic precinct.
Click to expand...

I cannot believe you continue to type this. Either you don't understand the very simple posts here, or you are purposefully pretending not to. I really don't know. It doesn't matter. I am not going to argue something I never stated. Stop, keep it up, I don't care.

Address my actual points, or I will simply ignore you on this thread. I admit you are hard to ignore with all of your posts, AND SOMETIMES IN CAPS, but I will do it.
 
Darla said:
Wow. This is not about what particular events Libertarians support. This is about how their ideology and laws impact others. And how that impact in turn, effects how these others view them.
Click to expand...

LMAO... this case has NOTHING to do with Libertarian ideology. It has to do with a racist asshole in a heavily Democratic precinct being allowed to get away with murder. IN NO WAY can this be called self defense. Zimmerman was the aggressor. He was told by the police NOT to follow the kid. He ignored that. The kid was walking away. There is no way it is anything other than murder.

It should be prosecuted by the Democratic precincts cops. But the Democrats obviously elected a racist to run their sheriffs department. In that case, it is the job of the Fed to step in... especially in the case of a Democratic precinct that has a history of racism in their police department.

You see... that 'limited role of the Fed'... this is an example of where Libertarians would support Federal action.
 
Carlos Spicy Weiner said:
Every non-libertarian needs an excuse for why, in America, they choose to practice a brand of politics which does not defend freedom or promote liberty to the extent that libertarians do.
Click to expand...
Nice strawman. No one is really that interested in what Libertarians have to say (except libertarians) cause their mostly a group of white, poorly educated males, who sit around surfing the net playing amature constitutional scholar and pretty much accomplishing nothing. Why should anyone take them seriously until they walk the talk?
 
Superfreak said:
Why do you assume it didn't anger me? It does. The asshole should be in jail. Period.

But that doesn't give you license to slander Libertarians and pretend that they support the actions (or rather inaction) of this police department (which lies in a heavily democratic precinct by the way).
Click to expand...
I agree. Slandering Libertarians is like kicking a midget for being short.
 
Darla said:
I cannot believe you continue to type this. Either you don't understand the very simple posts here, or you are purposefully pretending not to. I really don't know. It doesn't matter. I am not going to argue something I never stated. Stop, keep it up, I don't care.

Address my actual points, or I will simply ignore you on this thread. I admit you are hard to ignore with all of your posts, AND SOMETIMES IN CAPS, but I will do it.
Click to expand...

I did address your 'points'.

YOU pretended that Libertarian ideology is responsible. I refuted that moronic view.

YOU stated that blacks, hispanics and women don't vote for Republican/conservative/libertarians... I pointed out the demographics of the city to you and asked you to explain who was in charge of the city. Something you clearly wish to avoid.

YOU stated that Libertarians support States rights (which is true) and a limited Federal Government (also true) and then you tried to make the leap that Libertarians would thus support the actions of the police department of Sanford. Which is absurdly false.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... this case has NOTHING to do with Libertarian ideology. It has to do with a racist asshole in a heavily Democratic precinct being allowed to get away with murder. IN NO WAY can this be called self defense. Zimmerman was the aggressor. He was told by the police NOT to follow the kid. He ignored that. The kid was walking away. There is no way it is anything other than murder.

It should be prosecuted by the Democratic precincts cops. But the Democrats obviously elected a racist to run their sheriffs department. In that case, it is the job of the Fed to step in... especially in the case of a Democratic precinct that has a history of racism in their police department.

You see... that 'limited role of the Fed'... this is an example of where Libertarians would support Federal action.
Click to expand...

But STY doesn't support federal action. Maybe you are not a real Libertarian. Can it be you are the one who doesn't know what Libertarianism is? Wouldn't that be funny!
 
Also Darla... the reason I continue pointing out the Demographics of the precinct is because it is YOUR party that is in control. YOUR party's local leaders that let this happen. YOUR party darla. Not Republicans. Not Libertarians. YOUR PARTY.
 
Superfreak said:
I did address your 'points'.

YOU pretended that Libertarian ideology is responsible. I refuted that moronic view.

YOU stated that blacks, hispanics and women don't vote for Republican/conservative/libertarians... I pointed out the demographics of the city to you and asked you to explain who was in charge of the city. Something you clearly wish to avoid.
Click to expand...

This dumbassery is so stupid it practically drools.
 
Derp Derp said:
Nice strawman. No one is really that interested in what Libertarians have to say (except libertarians) cause their mostly a group of white, poorly educated males, who sit around surfing the net playing amature constitutional scholar and pretty much accomplishing nothing. Why should anyone take them seriously until they walk the talk?
Click to expand...

I would groan this post 1,000 times if I could. And we're suppose to care what some hack Republican or Democrats thinks because they have a (R) or (D) next to their name? Does the arrogance of the two parties know no bounds?

The Republican/Democrat attitude is truly like SEC football. The SEC has some heated rivlaries within its conference with some deat seated hatred between schools. But the minute an outsider says something about the SEC they bond together like nobodies business to defend themselves. (R's) and (D's) can fight each other all day long but try and add an outside voice and they do everything in their power to silence it and then claim that it's not legit because of a lack of support.
 
Darla said:
Wow. This is not about what particular events Libertarians support. This is about how their ideology and laws impact others. And how that impact in turn, effects how these others view them.
Click to expand...
Darla? Are we talking about the same people? Since when have libertarians ever impacted anyone other than to annoy others on internet message boards?
 
Superfreak said:
I did address your 'points'.

YOU pretended that Libertarian ideology is responsible. I refuted that moronic view.

YOU stated that blacks, hispanics and women don't vote for Republican/conservative/libertarians... I pointed out the demographics of the city to you and asked you to explain who was in charge of the city. Something you clearly wish to avoid.

YOU stated that Libertarians support States rights (which is true) and a limited Federal Government (also true) and then you tried to make the leap that Libertarians would thus support the actions of the police department of Sanford. Which is absurdly false.
Click to expand...

It's not absurd. We have a history in this country of certain states not prosecuting lynchings of blacks. The federal government has historically had to step in if there was going to be justice in these cases. Here again, we have a murder of young black man, where the murderer was going to walk away. Until the feds stepped in. Historically, state's rights, which as you point out, Libertarians support, has been used to defend against the feds stepping in. STY is using that very argument right here on this thread. Now, whether or not Libertarians support the actions of the police department, is irrelevant. Do they support the "right" of the local authorities to clear this man and not face federal scrutiny? That is the only thing that matters. You are very hung up on intent - what do libertarians and state's rights folks "intend". Well, that irrelevant. First of all, you all intend different things. What is relevant is the actual impact of your policies on others.

Who is "in charge" of the city has absolutely nothing to do with this. I am pretty sure you are the only one who thinks it does.
 
Derp Derp said:
Darla? Are we talking about the same people? Since when have libertarians ever impacted anyone other than to annoy others on internet message boards?
Click to expand...

LOL

But the state's rights bullshit has. Though I think we can see in this case that those days are over. Thankfully huh? They've been told to take their state's rights and shove them straight you know where.
 
cawacko said:
I would groan this post 1,000 times if I could. And we're suppose to care what some hack Republican or Democrats thinks because they have a (R) or (D) next to their name? Does the arrogance of the two parties know no bounds?

The Republican/Democrat attitude is truly like SEC football. The SEC has some heated rivlaries within its conference with some deat seated hatred between schools. But the minute an outsider says something about the SEC they bond together like nobodies business to defend themselves. (R's) and (D's) can fight each other all day long but try and add an outside voice and they do everything in their power to silence it and then claim that it's not legit because of a lack of support.
Click to expand...
Hey I'm sorry if an ugly truth bothers you but as a practical matter I'm right. What have libertarians ever accomplished besides "Jack Squat". Walk the talk man.

There's two significant problems Libertarians have;

#1 is leadership. They do nothing. They have accomplished nothig. They are like I said, mostly a bunch of white guys on the internet doing NOTHING!

#2. is practicality. Ideology is well and fine but if it dont' work it don't work. Tell me of one affective government in the world that isn't utilitarian in nature? Even Republican politicians at their best govern as utilitarians. As a practical matter a political leader must respect individual rights and they must repsect the rule of law but when push comes to shove they make their decisions based on what is in the best interest of the most people. In that respect Libertarians are out there in LaLa land. When cornored about these realities of governing they just wash their hands and quote the constitution. So, it doesn't matter what the hell your ideology is if you can't govern!

My point being until Libertarians can figure those two problems out there never going to be taken to seriously. Considering most Libertarians have the leadership potential of Fredo Corleone I woudn't hold my breath if I was you. :)
 
Darla said:
It's not absurd. We have a history in this country of certain states not prosecuting lynchings of blacks. The federal government has historically had to step in if there was going to be justice in these cases. Here again, we have a murder of young black man, where the murderer was going to walk away. Until the feds stepped in. Historically, state's rights, which as you point out, Libertarians support, has been used to defend against the feds stepping in. STY is using that very argument right here on this thread. Now, whether or not Libertarians support the actions of the police department, is irrelevant. Do they support the "right" of the local authorities to clear this man and not face federal scrutiny? That is the only thing that matters. You are very hung up on intent - what do libertarians and state's rights folks "intend". Well, that irrelevant. First of all, you all intend different things. What is relevant is the actual impact of your policies on others.

Who is "in charge" of the city has absolutely nothing to do with this. I am pretty sure you are the only one who thinks it does.
Click to expand...

how badly is your head going to explode when the feds do nothing about this case?
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
This dumbassery is so stupid it practically drools.
Click to expand...

So, to you it is only 'smart' to try and blame Republicans/Libertarians/Conservatives for racism in this country. But pointing out that it is a heavily Democratic precinct that elected this sheriff is 'stoopit'???

Thanks for letting your hypocrisy shine through.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
how badly is your head going to explode when the feds do nothing about this case?
Click to expand...

My head won't explode, but it would break my heart. A 17 yo dead, in the ground, for eternity, never to experience any of the things you and I take for granted. His life stolen.

And no justice.

I would 100% support a No justice no peace uprising.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top