Do we need political marriage counseling, or is it too late?

The more I observe political events unfold in America, the more I am reminded of a failing marriage. Two sides, hell-bent on destroying each other, not willing to compromise one inch, or even entertain the thought. The differences have become too irreconcilable. Societal issues are the children, as both sides fight relentlessly for full custodial rights. Taxes are the 'alimony' we'll either pay or avoid, as we plead our case before the Electoral judge who will make a ruling in early November. What will become of the assets we've worked so hard to build over the years? Will Social Security become the home which has to be liquidated and equity divided? (I hope not, because we are a little upside down at the moment.) Who will get the car? You know, that capitalist machine so vital at driving the economy? You can't divide a car, one side will prevail there, at least over the next few years.

Yep, it's as if all hope is lost. Both parties once had respect and genuine love for one another... oh sure, they had their fights and disagreements, but at the end of the day, they were Mr. And Mrs. American, through and through. And like any troubled marriage, the fault can be found on both sides. RepubliCons carried on lavish affairs with sexy corporate mistresses, as DemoLibs slipped away behind the bar with sleazy Eurotrash Marxists. Neither party has been faithful, and both have justified their actions by pointing to the failures of the other. In the end, two who once shared so much, find themselves with nothing in common.

In a marriage, the obvious event which is unfolding, is a divorce. But a country can't be divorced. A country divided means a war will have to be fought, a literal war. This is where hot heads jump in and say, "Bring It!" Or where antagonists start calling me extremist calling for war or whatever. I'm just the messenger, okay? When a country gets to the point where the two sides can't arbitrate their differences in a civil manner, they can't go and get a "divorce" from one another. I know that we have a society which now thinks of divorce as nothing, just a common formality whenever two sides can't reconcile. The ramifications of 'political divorce' are much more hostile. Just as we seem to have forgotten how to reconcile and compromise in our relationships, have we also forgotten how to reconcile and compromise on political views?

Is there some kind of counseling we can do as Liberals and Conservatives, to at least attempt to save our family? Or is it too late? Is there hope for our future, or does this devolve into civil chaos, as the divisiveness grows unbearable? It seems to me, Americans... both Liberal and Conservative, need to be taking a few steps back, and evaluating the situation at this time. We can move forward together and work with one another on the things we can agree on, and return to a more civilized debate of ideas on the things we don't, or we can continue on the destructive path we are on, with ever-more bitter sniping and attacking, until it's too late.

Perhaps it's already too late?
 
The more I observe political events unfold in America, the more I am reminded of a failing marriage. Two sides, hell-bent on destroying each other, not willing to compromise one inch, or even entertain the thought. The differences have become too irreconcilable. Societal issues are the children, as both sides fight relentlessly for full custodial rights. Taxes are the 'alimony' we'll either pay or avoid, as we plead our case before the Electoral judge who will make a ruling in early November. What will become of the assets we've worked so hard to build over the years? Will Social Security become the home which has to be liquidated and equity divided? (I hope not, because we are a little upside down at the moment.) Who will get the car? You know, that capitalist machine so vital at driving the economy? You can't divide a car, one side will prevail there, at least over the next few years.

Yep, it's as if all hope is lost. Both parties once had respect and genuine love for one another... oh sure, they had their fights and disagreements, but at the end of the day, they were Mr. And Mrs. American, through and through. And like any troubled marriage, the fault can be found on both sides. RepubliCons carried on lavish affairs with sexy corporate mistresses, as DemoLibs slipped away behind the bar with sleazy Eurotrash Marxists. Neither party has been faithful, and both have justified their actions by pointing to the failures of the other. In the end, two who once shared so much, find themselves with nothing in common.

In a marriage, the obvious event which is unfolding, is a divorce. But a country can't be divorced. A country divided means a war will have to be fought, a literal war. This is where hot heads jump in and say, "Bring It!" Or where antagonists start calling me extremist calling for war or whatever. I'm just the messenger, okay? When a country gets to the point where the two sides can't arbitrate their differences in a civil manner, they can't go and get a "divorce" from one another. I know that we have a society which now thinks of divorce as nothing, just a common formality whenever two sides can't reconcile. The ramifications of 'political divorce' are much more hostile. Just as we seem to have forgotten how to reconcile and compromise in our relationships, have we also forgotten how to reconcile and compromise on political views?

Is there some kind of counseling we can do as Liberals and Conservatives, to at least attempt to save our family? Or is it too late? Is there hope for our future, or does this devolve into civil chaos, as the divisiveness grows unbearable? It seems to me, Americans... both Liberal and Conservative, need to be taking a few steps back, and evaluating the situation at this time. We can move forward together and work with one another on the things we can agree on, and return to a more civilized debate of ideas on the things we don't, or we can continue on the destructive path we are on, with ever-more bitter sniping and attacking, until it's too late.

Perhaps it's already too late?

Yes Dixie, get all the help you can find.
 
The more I observe political events unfold in America, the more I am reminded of a failing marriage. Two sides, hell-bent on destroying each other, not willing to compromise one inch, or even entertain the thought. The differences have become too irreconcilable. Societal issues are the children, as both sides fight relentlessly for full custodial rights. Taxes are the 'alimony' we'll either pay or avoid, as we plead our case before the Electoral judge who will make a ruling in early November. What will become of the assets we've worked so hard to build over the years? Will Social Security become the home which has to be liquidated and equity divided? (I hope not, because we are a little upside down at the moment.) Who will get the car? You know, that capitalist machine so vital at driving the economy? You can't divide a car, one side will prevail there, at least over the next few years.

Yep, it's as if all hope is lost. Both parties once had respect and genuine love for one another... oh sure, they had their fights and disagreements, but at the end of the day, they were Mr. And Mrs. American, through and through. And like any troubled marriage, the fault can be found on both sides. RepubliCons carried on lavish affairs with sexy corporate mistresses, as DemoLibs slipped away behind the bar with sleazy Eurotrash Marxists. Neither party has been faithful, and both have justified their actions by pointing to the failures of the other. In the end, two who once shared so much, find themselves with nothing in common.

In a marriage, the obvious event which is unfolding, is a divorce. But a country can't be divorced. A country divided means a war will have to be fought, a literal war. This is where hot heads jump in and say, "Bring It!" Or where antagonists start calling me extremist calling for war or whatever. I'm just the messenger, okay? When a country gets to the point where the two sides can't arbitrate their differences in a civil manner, they can't go and get a "divorce" from one another. I know that we have a society which now thinks of divorce as nothing, just a common formality whenever two sides can't reconcile. The ramifications of 'political divorce' are much more hostile. Just as we seem to have forgotten how to reconcile and compromise in our relationships, have we also forgotten how to reconcile and compromise on political views?

Is there some kind of counseling we can do as Liberals and Conservatives, to at least attempt to save our family? Or is it too late? Is there hope for our future, or does this devolve into civil chaos, as the divisiveness grows unbearable? It seems to me, Americans... both Liberal and Conservative, need to be taking a few steps back, and evaluating the situation at this time. We can move forward together and work with one another on the things we can agree on, and return to a more civilized debate of ideas on the things we don't, or we can continue on the destructive path we are on, with ever-more bitter sniping and attacking, until it's too late.

Perhaps it's already too late?

So do you belive that Compromise is what is good for America? What as a Conservative are you willing to compromise on? I see your type (on both the left and the right) as the problem, unwilling to compromise on anything.


BTW, glad to see you are back.
 
"Conservative columnist, David Brooks, writing in today's NYTimes, explains why this country is in so much trouble, and he correctly identifies the reason that nothing is being done to correct the economy. The GOP is on a suicide mission, and if it continues its intransigence, it will take this country with it. There is no way forward without compromise, and compromise is not in the current GOP's vocabulary. Brooks rightly says that this GOP is "infected" by extreme ideology, and is unwilling to do the right thing for our country because their only goal, from all appearances and from what they have unequivocally stated in public, is to make Mr. Obama a one term president. This is the basest form of politics--playing with other people's lives and fortunes for political gain. It is beyond gross dereliction of duty, it is perilously destructive, and the American people will not forget the GOP's moral recklessness."

http://progressiveerupts.blogspot.com/2011/07/gop-unwilling-to-compromise-on-anything.html
 
It might be backfireing on the GOP.... They lost in the last fight about extending the payroll tax break.
 
So do you belive that Compromise is what is good for America? What as a Conservative are you willing to compromise on? I see your type (on both the left and the right) as the problem, unwilling to compromise on anything.


BTW, glad to see you are back.

I think compromise is the only thing that is ultimately "good for America" to be honest. We live in a collective free society, not our own personal Utopia. Issues can't be resolved to the complete satisfaction of one group while ignoring all others, that's not reality, that's not practical. In order to resolve issues, both sides have to be willing to set aside partisan differences, and discuss legitimate areas of compromise which can usually be found with any issue. You immediately demand to know what I am willing to compromise on, and I would say, what are you willing to compromise on? Because we first have to find something we are both willing to do that with, before this subject becomes relevant.

I have always been the type of person who can at least see both sides of an issue. Not that I can find validity in the argument, but I can see how the argument could be made, in many cases. I also realize we live in a collective society, and some might call me a 'collectivist' but I kind of believe that pertinent issues should be settled to the satisfaction of the collective in most cases. In other words, issues like abortion and gay marriage, should at least be up to the voters of a particular state, and I can live with whatever they decide. To me, that is a political compromise, I am not forcing you to accept my viewpoint, I am not trying to cram my way down your throat. I have my opinion, I am free to lobby for my opinion, but at the end of the day, I am satisfied with the result of the ballot box.

Several times, I have created threads to discuss solving huge social problems and bridge the gaping divide between left and right on certain issues. Like Gay Marriage... While I don't support Gay Marriage, I am willing to accept government altering its role in 'marriage' altogether, and adopting a more modernized 'civil union' approach for couples. This would give gay couples all the same benefits of traditional married couples, and it wouldn't trample religious customs and tradition. In fact, it would actually un-entangle government from 'marriage' completely, as it should have been all along. Abortion is another hot-button issue I have proposed a compromise on. I am pro-life, but I personally believe there are some instances where abortion is an appropriate option. All I have asked for, is an honest debate over when it's appropriate to end a human life, but the other side is not willing to even admit it's a human life.

Just as when two people seek marriage counseling, it isn't going to do any good for one person to change and the other to believe they don't need to change. That doesn't work. If only one side is willing to compromise, there can be no reconciliation. Our problems and issues are not so big that we can't settle them, we have simply become so vitriolic, and polarized, we can't envision how we get there.
 
I think compromise is the only thing that is ultimately "good for America" to be honest. We live in a collective free society, not our own personal Utopia. Issues can't be resolved to the complete satisfaction of one group while ignoring all others, that's not reality, that's not practical. In order to resolve issues, both sides have to be willing to set aside partisan differences, and discuss legitimate areas of compromise which can usually be found with any issue. You immediately demand to know what I am willing to compromise on, and I would say, what are you willing to compromise on? Because we first have to find something we are both willing to do that with, before this subject becomes relevant.

I have always been the type of person who can at least see both sides of an issue. Not that I can find validity in the argument, but I can see how the argument could be made, in many cases. I also realize we live in a collective society, and some might call me a 'collectivist' but I kind of believe that pertinent issues should be settled to the satisfaction of the collective in most cases. In other words, issues like abortion and gay marriage, should at least be up to the voters of a particular state, and I can live with whatever they decide. To me, that is a political compromise, I am not forcing you to accept my viewpoint, I am not trying to cram my way down your throat. I have my opinion, I am free to lobby for my opinion, but at the end of the day, I am satisfied with the result of the ballot box.

Several times, I have created threads to discuss solving huge social problems and bridge the gaping divide between left and right on certain issues. Like Gay Marriage... While I don't support Gay Marriage, I am willing to accept government altering its role in 'marriage' altogether, and adopting a more modernized 'civil union' approach for couples. This would give gay couples all the same benefits of traditional married couples, and it wouldn't trample religious customs and tradition. In fact, it would actually un-entangle government from 'marriage' completely, as it should have been all along. Abortion is another hot-button issue I have proposed a compromise on. I am pro-life, but I personally believe there are some instances where abortion is an appropriate option. All I have asked for, is an honest debate over when it's appropriate to end a human life, but the other side is not willing to even admit it's a human life.

Just as when two people seek marriage counseling, it isn't going to do any good for one person to change and the other to believe they don't need to change. That doesn't work. If only one side is willing to compromise, there can be no reconciliation. Our problems and issues are not so big that we can't settle them, we have simply become so vitriolic, and polarized, we can't envision how we get there.


That was a clear and intelegent answer with no insults.

I can respect much of what you are compromising on and am impresed with your ability to do so. I also can compromise, personally I do not believe a large national debt is a terriable thing, especally just after a horrable recession, but I am willing to go along with some massive spending cuts, now that the economy is on the right track. I also belive that the government is too involved in our personal lives and agree on many limits. I personally belive that people should not have guns intended for assault in there homes, but I am willing to agree that the rights to ownership of some arms is an absolute right.

You see both sides are willing to compromise on many issues, however many polititians are not. It has been seen by Republicans (at this time) that it is a political advantage to stonewall on every issue this year and last. That is what is occuring and its clearly simply politics. THat log jam will break when a) the election is over or b) when the voters stop tolerating it.
 
"Conservative columnist, David Brooks, writing in today's NYTimes, explains why this country is in so much trouble, and he correctly identifies the reason that nothing is being done to correct the economy. The GOP is on a suicide mission, and if it continues its intransigence, it will take this country with it. There is no way forward without compromise, and compromise is not in the current GOP's vocabulary. Brooks rightly says that this GOP is "infected" by extreme ideology, and is unwilling to do the right thing for our country because their only goal, from all appearances and from what they have unequivocally stated in public, is to make Mr. Obama a one term president. This is the basest form of politics--playing with other people's lives and fortunes for political gain. It is beyond gross dereliction of duty, it is perilously destructive, and the American people will not forget the GOP's moral recklessness."

http://progressiveerupts.blogspot.com/2011/07/gop-unwilling-to-compromise-on-anything.html
On the other hand no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public so I'm not holding my breath.
 
If I was in marriage counseling, and whoever I was with kept calling me "pinhead" in the discussions, I don't think we'd get too far...
 
If I was in marriage counseling, and whoever I was with kept calling me "pinhead" in the discussions, I don't think we'd get too far...

Haha. I think a lot of people need to take Dale Carnegie's 'How To Win Friends and Influence People' course or at least read the book.
 
LMAO!!!

IMHO, it damn near should be required reading. Such basic concepts but all are so true. You read it and you just shake your head because it all makes sense.
Yes. Little things like remembering peoples names. Never making negative comments. Asking people questions about them and then listening to them and don't talk about your self, etc, etc.
 
Yes. Little things like remembering peoples names. Never making negative comments. Asking people questions about them and then listening to them and don't talk about your self, etc, etc.

Exactly. And not to get off tangent and start preaching but Onceler's comment was spot on. If you start a comment with 'you idiot' well of course the person it is directed at is going to be defensive from the start. It is then impossible to have a real discussion. If the subject heading has an insult well how do you think the thread is going to go?

I know people often do it here on purpose to get under people's skin but nonetheless...
 
Exactly. And not to get off tangent and start preaching but Onceler's comment was spot on. If you start a comment with 'you idiot' well of course the person it is directed at is going to be defensive from the start. It is then impossible to have a real discussion. If the subject heading has an insult well how do you think the thread is going to go?

I know people often do it here on purpose to get under people's skin but nonetheless...
That's right......bitch.
 
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