Court says woman with limited English can be kept off ballot

USFREEDOM911 said:
WHAT??
And here you said you base your opininons on the offered OP-ED pieces.

"A Yuma County Superior Court judge touched off a furor last week when he disqualified Alejandrina Cabrera, 35, from running for city council in the town of San Luis over what he called a "large gap" between her English proficiency and that required to serve as a public official."
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you have this bizarre tendency to bash me for using the op ed, when 1. i relied on what SHE said, not the op ed; 2. you're basing your opinion on the very same op ed.

:palm:
 
Yurt said:
she says she can read and understand english...so not sure your concern PMP. there are plenty of people who are "proficient" in english who aren't remotely qualified. if she can understand the proceedings, i don't have a problem with her serving if she is duly elected.
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maybe she does say it, but people who know her disagree......for those of you who think this is racist, notice who started this case....

"the current town mayor, Juan Carlos Escamilla, who went on to file the lawsuit claiming she has insufficient command of the English language to hold elected office"
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Seems to me a guy who doesn't know when to properly use "to" "too" and "two" should think twice about lecturing others on what constitutes "limited English language skills".
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truly hilarious you would bitch about this when his post did not contain the error you whine of.

btw, thoughts on the topic?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
maybe she does say it, but people who know her disagree......for those of you who think this is racist, notice who started this case....

"the current town mayor, Juan Carlos Escamilla, who went on to file the lawsuit claiming she has insufficient command of the English language to hold elected office"
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iow...you choose to believe her opponents, not her. i don't know what her proficiency is, but i think it you should not simply take her adversary's word for it. i would be curious to know if the court considered actual evidence of her proficiency.
 
Yurt said:
iow...you choose to believe her opponents, not her. i don't know what her proficiency is, but i think it you should not simply take her adversary's word for it. i would be curious to know if the court considered actual evidence of her proficiency.
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the court also chose to believe her opponents.....upon appeal, that court also chose to believe her opponents.......yet you, who've never even heard or say she was proficient, or know what language she spoke when she said she was proficient, insist she's right and everyone else is wrong.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the court also chose to believe her opponents.....upon appeal, that court also chose to believe her opponents.......yet you, who've never even heard or say she was proficient, or know what language she spoke when she said she was proficient, insist she's right and everyone else is wrong.......
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read this again:

i don't know what her proficiency is

and again, on what evidence did the court base its decision on? the app ct. did not even give its reasons, it said the reasons would be forthcoming...so tell me...what evidence and what reasons since you seem to insist everyone else but her is right....
 
I'm curious as to how they determined the minimal degree of English proficiency required to serve in public office and what they rely on to establish that. It's really weird.

Given the sheer number of English speaking dumbasses elected to Congress, I can't imagine a non-English speaking moderately smart person would be any worse for a city council.
 
Yuma County Superior Court Judge John Nelson ruled on Jan. 27 to strike Cabrera's name from the ballot. Nelson's ruling was based on tests administered by a sociolinguistics expert, as well as Cabrera's inability to respond to questions posed to her in English at a hearing.

The action against Cabrera also stemmed from a Dec. 14 complaint made by former mayor Guillermina Fuentes that Cabrera isn't fluent in English, according to The Sun.

Fuentes claimed she has acted as an interpreter for Cabrera.

Sociolinguistics expert William Eggington presented the court with results of three different tests he administered to Cabrera, who graduated from Kofa High School in Yuma. One measured her English-speaking skill, another was to determine if she reads the language, and the third was to assess her level of English comprehension.

Eggington's report said Cabrera's English skills did not meet the level of language proficiency needed to serve on the council.


http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/po...rom-election-due-to-lack-english-proficiency/


:lol:

Good old public schools, pass someone that can barely speak English.
 
Yurt said:
read this again:

i don't know what her proficiency is

and again, on what evidence did the court base its decision on?
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the evidence you don't have....unless of course you want to assume that the court didn't bother to gather any evidence and that the appeals court affirmed it anyway.....
 
you mean just "good lord, no"?......

how about you ASK the question without mockery.......no one here thinks that just because we believe there should be minimum literacy standards for HOLDING office that the same rules should apply to voting.....
 
Yurt said:
truly hilarious you would bitch about this when his post did not contain the error you whine of.

btw, thoughts on the topic?
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USF's struggles with "to, too & two" are well chronicled...

As to this topic...this woman is being railroaded by racists who don't want their little boys club ruined by some "immigrant".

Show me the law on the books in Arizona saying anyone running for city council must have a specified proficiency in English to hold public office...
 
Yurt said:
you have this bizarre tendency to bash me for using the op ed, when 1. i relied on what SHE said, not the op ed; 2. you're basing your opinion on the very same op ed.

:palm:
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I'm also basing it on comments like the one that said they should hire an interpreter to aide her in her job and those that support her getting the job, when doubts of her ability have been laid.

Do you have anything to refute the accusation that her English speaking abilities are false; because it they are false, she not only has a good libel lawsuit but also has a good challange to their refusal?.
 
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webbway said:
Yuma County Superior Court Judge John Nelson ruled on Jan. 27 to strike Cabrera's name from the ballot. Nelson's ruling was based on tests administered by a sociolinguistics expert, as well as Cabrera's inability to respond to questions posed to her in English at a hearing.

The action against Cabrera also stemmed from a Dec. 14 complaint made by former mayor Guillermina Fuentes that Cabrera isn't fluent in English, according to The Sun.

Fuentes claimed she has acted as an interpreter for Cabrera.

Sociolinguistics expert William Eggington presented the court with results of three different tests he administered to Cabrera, who graduated from Kofa High School in Yuma. One measured her English-speaking skill, another was to determine if she reads the language, and the third was to assess her level of English comprehension.

Eggington's report said Cabrera's English skills did not meet the level of language proficiency needed to serve on the council.


http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/po...rom-election-due-to-lack-english-proficiency/


:lol:

Good old public schools, pass someone that can barely speak English.
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BOO-YEAH
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
I'm curious as to how they determined the minimal degree of English proficiency required to serve in public office and what they rely on to establish that. It's really weird.

Given the sheer number of English speaking dumbasses elected to Congress, I can't imagine a non-English speaking moderately smart person would be any worse for a city council.
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In support of my comment about the English speaking dumbasses in Congress, I offer you Louis Gohmert of Texas:

Rep. Louie Gohmert, patron saint of amorous wildlife? The Texas Republican, who’s not exactly known as a champion of animal rights, said his primary concern in the development of a massive Alaskan oil pipeline is the love life of the caribous surrounding the project.

Gohmert launched into a lecture during a meeting of the House Natural Resources committee meeting last week about the need to protect the poor caribou. But here’s the catch — the evil force against which he wants to defend the creatures is the halting of the flow of oil through the pipeline. That, he says, would be akin to throwing cold water on what sounds like a randy spring-break party happening around Alaska’s caribou population.

It seems that Gohmert is also something of an expert on animal husbandry. Here’s his theory: The caribou very much enjoy the warmth the pipeline radiates. “So when they want to go on a date, they invite each other to head over to the pipeline,” he informed his colleagues. It’s apparently the equivalent of being wined and dined. And that has resulted in a tenfold caribou population boom, he concluded.

“So my real concern now ...if oil stops running through the pipeline...do we need a study to see how adversely the caribou would be affected if that warm oil ever quit flowing?” he asked.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-wingman-ever/2012/02/07/gIQAIj2dwQ_blog.html
 
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