Walker to face recall

icedancer2theend said:
No, it is because of over taxation and regulatory policy combined with union monopolies over labor costs. Corporations are not in business to create jobs, but to create profit. Profit supplies the ability to employ individuals. Cut into profit, cut into ability.
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No, it is because of greed.
 
Return of Dune said:
I am not going to get into a yurt-picking with this you over this, but a recall or any other activity involving the citizens and government most certainly is about freedom.
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will christie call out dune for this post? i'm not even apart of the conversation, but dune has to insult me and as usual, he runs away from actual debate.
 
AssHatZombie said:
So maybe they shouldnt be worshipped as "the job creators"?
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? No one should be worshiping a corporation, nor should they be attacking them. Any entity that needs labor to create profit create jobs. The difference between a private and a public job, is that one perpetuates wealth and the other consumes it.
 
icedancer2theend said:
? No one should be worshiping a corporation, nor should they be attacking them. Any entity that needs labor to create profit create jobs. The difference between a private and a public job, is that one perpetuates wealth and the other consumes it.
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But the issue here is american jobs. Jobs are not created here in the context of globalization zealotry as the meme of our leadership, when slavery abroad is the preferred labor pool.
 
Return of Dune said:
No, it is because of greed.
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I don't deny greed ( a desire for profit) is a motivator. So what. The facts still remain true. Corporations send jobs overseas because of over taxation and regulatory policy combined with union monopolies over labor costs. A corporation—or any business—that ceases to be profitable will soon cease to exist-
 
AssHatZombie said:
But the issue here is american jobs. Jobs are not created here in the context of globalization zealotry as the meme of our leadership, when slavery abroad is the preferred labor pool.
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By reducing regulatory and labor costs only minimally, it would make it more profitable to do business at home. 45 dollars an hr to stand on an assembly line is ridiculous. Paying union workers to not work is ridiculous. Being forced to hire the prodigy of workers, who may not be qualified. is ridiculous. These are just some of the onerous requirements of unions towards employers that need to be done away with. Unions need to reform some of their standards and practices to allow for companies to become profitable, in exchange for bringing jobs home.
 
icedancer2theend said:
By reducing regulatory and labor costs only minimally, it would make it more profitable to do business at home. 45 dollars an hr to stand on an assembly line is ridiculous. Paying union workers to not work is ridiculous. Being forced to hire the prodigy of workers, who may not be qualified. is ridiculous. These are just some of the onerous requirements of unions towards employers that need to be done away with. Unions need to reform some of their standards and practices to allow for companies to become profitable, in exchange for bringing jobs home.
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Get out of the fucking 80's dude. The unions are already decimated, it's mostly cheap labor driving this overseas labor flight.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Get out of the fucking 80's dude. The unions are already decimated, it's mostly cheap labor driving this overseas labor flight.
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It's high labor costs in the US directly associated with unions- not private non union jobs. Manufacturing for instance were union employers before being decimated by high labor costs and either failing or fleeing- One of the only industries not impacted by union costs is retail. Though the attacks against entities like WalMart show that it's not for trying, by union organizers.
 
icedancer2theend said:
I don't deny greed ( a desire for profit) is a motivator. So what. The facts still remain true. Corporations send jobs overseas because of over taxation and regulatory policy combined with union monopolies over labor costs. A corporation—or any business—that ceases to be profitable will soon cease to exist-
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Not reasonable greed (a desire for profit), but excessive greed. Greed to point of it being self-defeating, i.e., killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Henry Ford had it right. Today's capitalists don't
 
icedancer2theend said:
It's high labor costs in the US directly associated with unions- not private non union jobs. Manufacturing for instance were union employers before being decimated by high labor costs and either failing or fleeing- One of the only industries not impacted by union costs is retail. Though the attacks against entities like WalMart show that it's not for trying, by union organizers.
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Private non union jobs are still not at the wage slavery levels of the chinese workers. Do you live in the real world?
 
icedancer2theend said:
By reducing regulatory and labor costs only minimally, it would make it more profitable to do business at home. 45 dollars an hr to stand on an assembly line is ridiculous. Paying union workers to not work is ridiculous. Being forced to hire the prodigy of workers, who may not be qualified. is ridiculous. These are just some of the onerous requirements of unions towards employers that need to be done away with. Unions need to reform some of their standards and practices to allow for companies to become profitable, in exchange for bringing jobs home.
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I personally think it is good business practice to hire the prodigy of workers.
 
Return of Dune said:
Not reasonable greed (a desire for profit), but excessive greed. Greed to point of it being self-defeating, i.e., killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Henry Ford had it right. Today's capitalists don't
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you're stereotyping all corporations and capitalists. not all corps are for excessive greed. your hatred of the corporate world is bizarre...
 
Return of Dune said:
Not reasonable greed (a desire for profit), but excessive greed. Greed to point of it being self-defeating, i.e., killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Henry Ford had it right. Today's capitalists don't
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Corporations are as profitable as ever- proving that unions have cut off their noses to spite their faces- they are not golden eggs, they are spoiled eggs. You want jobs at home then workers also need to check their greed. Is it not greedy to pay someone 45.00 an hr to do assembly line work? Or to get their pay without giving their labor? Greed is funny that way- going both ways I mean.
 
icedancer2theend said:
By reducing regulatory and labor costs only minimally, it would make it more profitable to do business at home. 45 dollars an hr to stand on an assembly line is ridiculous. Paying union workers to not work is ridiculous. Being forced to hire the prodigy of workers, who may not be qualified. is ridiculous. These are just some of the onerous requirements of unions towards employers that need to be done away with. Unions need to reform some of their standards and practices to allow for companies to become profitable, in exchange for bringing jobs home.
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Prove it...show some facts, figures and SPECIFICS...not just the same lies and talking points you've spouted for the past decade.

Name some SPECIFIC businesses REQUIRED BY LABOR to hire the "prodigy of workers".

List some SPECIFIC businesses REQUIRED BY LABOR to pay union workers NOT to work.

The fact is, if they did indeed negotiate in good faith with their workers for those rights, then corporate has NO ONE TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Prove it...show some facts, figures and SPECIFICS...not just the same lies and talking points you've spouted for the past decade.

Name some SPECIFIC businesses REQUIRED BY LABOR to hire the "prodigy of workers".

List some SPECIFIC businesses REQUIRED BY LABOR to pay union workers NOT to work.

The fact is, if they did indeed negotiate in good faith with their workers for those rights, then corporate has NO ONE TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES.
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Do your own Google searches. I will NEVER move one finger for a keystroke to prove anything to YOU-ever.
 
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