House Begins Moves Toward Rejecting Tax Cut Bill

The government was supposed to remain NEUTRAL. It was never meant to be the personal bitch of big business. Some of you republicans need to figure that out.
I'm cool with that. We need to get rid of Solyndra "loans", subsidies for windmills, stupid ethanol subsidies, et al. Then remove some of the restrictions based on ideology and find a way to get those people to work building the pipeline. It's a keynesian dream. You don't even need the government to spend the money...

So long as all the subsidies and directives to purchase specific things from specific people on a list of "approved" companies goes away we can have a level field. And that means all of them.
 
Compromise isn't in Vader's dictionary. Even the smallest step towards actually adding light to the end of the tunnel must be rejected.

I have no issue with compromise. I will not compromise with a group of clowns who want to add riders that:

- Cut welfare
- Cut social security
- Cut medicade
- Cut federal jobs (which how republiclowns want to fix the budget)

This is not compromise ... this republigoons trying to force their bullshit agenda down our throats under the veil of compromise. It is NOT a compromise. When republiclowns start compromising on higher taxes for billionaires and millionaires, businesses, and anybody who outsources jobs to foreign countries, THEN we can talk compromise. Until then, republiclowns can stop pretending they want to compromise. They do not. They are sellouts, stoogies, cronies, and the bithes of big business.
 
why do we need a pipeline across half of the country across aquifers that could be ruined by a leak - yeah pipelines are soooo safe, they never leak:(

You want to keep sending American soliders over to the ME and spending billions on wars in the ME?
 
I have no issue with compromise. I will not compromise with a group of clowns who want to add riders that:

- Cut welfare
- Cut social security
- Cut medicade
- Cut federal jobs (which how republiclowns want to fix the budget)

This is not compromise ... this republigoons trying to force their bullshit agenda down our throats under the veil of compromise. It is NOT a compromise. When republiclowns start compromising on higher taxes for billionaires and millionaires, businesses, and anybody who outsources jobs to foreign countries, THEN we can talk compromise. Until then, republiclowns can stop pretending they want to compromise. They do not. They are sellouts, stoogies, cronies, and the bithes of big business.

SS has not been cut, in fact there is a raise in January. Obama took 500 billion out of medicade to pay for his health care reform. What about Solyndra and MF Global? Are Republicans responsible for the loss of billions?
 
I'm cool with that. We need to get rid of Solyndra "loans", subsidies for windmills, stupid ethanol subsidies, et al. Then remove some of the restrictions based on ideology and find a way to get those people to work building the pipeline. It's a keynesian dream. You don't even need the government to spend the money...

So long as all the subsidies and directives to purchase specific things from specific people on a list of "approved" companies goes away we can have a level field. And that means all of them.

I agree with that. I think racist factions in congress need to be removed. I think all contributions to politicial campaigns by big business need to be outlawed. They need to be punished by life in prison, without parole, or pardonability.... this means for the business scum and the political cronie.
 
You want to keep sending American soliders over to the ME and spending billions on wars in the ME?

No, I do not. I want the ME to know the consequences of screwing with the USA. I want Iran to know that the first time we find anything even remotely resembling yellow cake or other such fissle material in their plants, their sorry terrorist asses will get bombed into the stone age.

I do not want to see troops over in that region. Although, I do belive the shiite shitbags in Iraq will sellout their people to the terrorist assholes in Iran and that will lead to WWIII. It will be about disarming Iran's mullah terrorists and kicking Iran's sorry terrorist asses out of Iraq.
 
Changing the subject? Really? If the currently sitting POTUS was a republiclown, you would not be complaining.

I'm not changing the subject. I'm showing you that this administration has failed. Republicans and business are not the problem. The problem is this administration that has wasted billions of our money, and lost billions in bad investments of bad businesses.

That's not changing the subject. That's giving you a reality check.
 
I have no issue with compromise. I will not compromise with a group of clowns who want to add riders that:

- Cut welfare
- Cut social security
- Cut medicade
- Cut federal jobs (which how republiclowns want to fix the budget)

This is not compromise ... this republigoons trying to force their bullshit agenda down our throats under the veil of compromise. It is NOT a compromise. When republiclowns start compromising on higher taxes for billionaires and millionaires, businesses, and anybody who outsources jobs to foreign countries, THEN we can talk compromise. Until then, republiclowns can stop pretending they want to compromise. They do not. They are sellouts, stoogies, cronies, and the bithes of big business.

:rolleyes:

Setting an arbitrary automatic spending increase at a lower level is not a "cut".
And republicans will compromise on the taxes, as long as you compromise on simplifying the tax code itself. More revenue even at a lower rate because there will be less deductions is good.

We need a national drive to get off foreign energy so we don't waste our treasure and lives in the Middle East. Not an ideologue presenting ideas that have not reached the level of implementation as a "solution"...
 
No, I do not. I want the ME to know the consequences of screwing with the USA. I want Iran to know that the first time we find anything even remotely resembling yellow cake or other such fissle material in their plants, their sorry terrorist asses will get bombed into the stone age.

I do not want to see troops over in that region. Although, I do belive the shiite shitbags in Iraq will sellout their people to the terrorist assholes in Iran and that will lead to WWIII. It will be about disarming Iran's mullah terrorists and kicking Iran's sorry terrorist asses out of Iraq.

We have more energy than Saudi Arabia. Why not develop it and tell the ME to go to hell and never send our kids over there to die any more.
 
:rolleyes:

Setting an arbitrary automatic spending increase at a lower level is not a "cut".
And republicans will compromise on the taxes, as long as you compromise on simplifying the tax code itself. More revenue even at a lower rate because there will be less deductions is good.

We need a national drive to get off foreign energy so we don't waste our treasure and lives in the Middle East. Not an ideologue presenting ideas that have not reached the level of implementation as a "solution"...

You have some valid points; however, republicans need to be told they cannot touch, privatize, molest, change, cut, or in ANY way, shape or form, touch Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, Welfare, Unemployment, and necessary services. FDR created these in the "New Deal" to fix the depression that was brought on mostly by out of control robbber baron swine who paid off republicans to get their way.

I do think compromise is needed. We need to make some cuts... starting with congressional salaries, and other uneeded lifetime benefits for Congressman, Senators, Presidents, and various other political figures. There is money to be reclaimed here. :)

We can compromise on some of the services, but right now, the economy being what it is, the orifice from which the government poors out services is so tight that if it passed gas only dogs would be able to hear it.

Also ... I would think some compromise elsewhere could be workable. I think "At-will" employment is a tool of abuse that business has exploited for far to long. It needs to be outlawed or their need to be restrictions on its use on the employer side.

The EPA needs to be left alone. It keeps corporate polluters in check. I am willing to compromise here too... I have no issue with allowing companies to drill for oil wherever it lies, provided the environment isn't permanantly damaged and provided that the equipment is top of the line. I do not want to see another gulf coast disaster because some corporate assclown decides to cut corners.

:)
 
We have more energy than Saudi Arabia. Why not develop it and tell the ME to go to hell and never send our kids over there to die any more.

I am all for telling habib to take his camel stick it. We need to be free of the middle east. Gas prices will go down, there will be more jobs, people will be able to afford to commute. It will be grand.
 
:rolleyes:

Setting an arbitrary automatic spending increase at a lower level is not a "cut".
And republicans will compromise on the taxes, as long as you compromise on simplifying the tax code itself. More revenue even at a lower rate because there will be less deductions is good.

We need a national drive to get off foreign energy so we don't waste our treasure and lives in the Middle East. Not an ideologue presenting ideas that have not reached the level of implementation as a "solution"...

if we had spent the money on alternative energy that we spent on the iraq war (and continue to spend trying to repair broken soldiers due to the war) we would be close to enery independence - solar panels for homes and business roofs alone would have been paid for many times over
 
More lies. Do your homework. The reason it was rejected was because of the untenable RIDERS added by the republithieves at the requests of their 1% masters.

it was rejected because it included something the Democrats refused to accept........the Democrats proposal was rejected because it included something the Republicans refused to accept.......the spin is that taxes will now go up because the Republicans were "unreasonable"......the fact remains, the Democrats were "unreasonable" first.......
 
The government was supposed to remain NEUTRAL. It was never meant to be the personal bitch of big business. Some of you republicans need to figure that out.

If the government were neutral, they wouldn't stand in the way of the pipeline being constructed. The government is not neutral.
 
The payroll tax is the hardest tax that hits many middle class families. I actually think it's only until you get above the median income that the income tax starts making up the majority share. This is excluding the fact that the payroll tax is effectively double the normal rate; let us just pretend that, in the long term, employers don't take it out of employee salaries.

I mean, really, you can do the math. It's a flat income tax with a cap at 100k a year, and it take in nearly as much revenue as the progressive income tax with nominal rates much higher and no cap. That's obviously hitting the middle class.

What we should do is dramatically lower the rates and remove the cap.

Of course, Republicans will oppose this because it is a tax hike on the well-to-do.
 
it was rejected because it included something the Democrats refused to accept........the Democrats proposal was rejected because it included something the Republicans refused to accept.......the spin is that taxes will now go up because the Republicans were "unreasonable"......the fact remains, the Democrats were "unreasonable" first.......

Yes, but Democrats went home believing the House would pass the two-month extension; Boehner indicated that it wouldn't be a problem.
 
Yes, but Democrats went home believing the House would pass the two-month extension; Boehner indicated that it wouldn't be a problem.

so what's your point?......the fact Democrats went home leaving the job undone makes Republicans look bad?.......the fact that Democrats voted for a two month extension when the Republicans had already agreed to a one year extension ought to make the Democrats look bad.........

that's the part that puzzles me......the Republicans say okay, extend it for a year, Democrats say no, only for two months, and people are supposed to come away from that thinking "oh, the Democrats are in favor of tax cuts and the Republicans aren't".......if people are that stupid they deserve Democrats in charge.......
 
I'm sorry, but you should pay more attention to the news......the House passed an extension of the tax cut on December 13.....unfortunately, the Democrats rejected it.....blaming this on the Republicans is merely partisan hackery.....
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-12-13/politics/politics_congress-payroll-tax-cut_1_payroll-spending-bill-keystone-xl?_s=PM:POLITICS


Uh, that was a while ago. The Senate reached a compromise deal that Boehner said he had no problem with so they passed it thinking Boehner knew what the fuck he was talking about. Not too much to ask from the Speaker of the House. The problem is that Boehner doesn't control his caucus, his caucus controls him.
 
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