The Case for Banning Sharia Law in America

icedancer2theend said:
Your attempt at dismissal is lame. There really was/is a communist movement in America- there really is a push to use Sharia law within our courts, as well as the courts of other Western countries.
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Question: Assuming there is push by Muslims is there anything of note in Sharia Law concerning old folks homes?
 
Anders Breivik showed the world what irrational Islamophobia leads to, didn't he?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I wonder if you are equally incensed at Jewish law in the USA, particularly rights of inheritance and divorce.

http://www.wunrn.com/news/2010/11_10/11_15_10/111510_jewish.htm

http://officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=15050&catid=60
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Are you?

To designate March 26, 1991, as `Education Day , U.S.A. '.
Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;
Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws;
Whereas without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos;
Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society;
Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future;


Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world;
Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991;


Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, `the rebbe,' this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of `education and giving,' the year in which we turn to education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws;

and Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That March 26, 1991, the start of the ninetieth year of Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, leader of the worldwide Lubavitch movement, is designated as `Education Day, U.S.A. '. The President is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.


Approved March 20, 1991. Signed by George Bush, President of the United States of America


April 7, 1998
Nissan 11, 5758
By the grace of G-d

America's strength lies in her human resources, and in the freedom and tolerance that enable these resources to blossom.
Education is the first and foremost vehicle of fostering these most basic and inexhaustible national resources.
Our challenge is to create an educational system that promotes warmth, love, joy, and disciplined freedom, spurring all to develop their G-d-given potential and dedicate themselves to a life of positive activity.

Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson The Lubavitcher Rebbe


It is abundantly clear to educators and law-enforcement agents that neither intimidation nor threat of punishment can foster a deep sense of moral obligation. This can only come through the knowledge-- through education--that there is an "Eye that sees and an Ear that hears" to Whom we are all accountable.
Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson

http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=106&Parent=88
 
icedancer2theend said:
There is a push- Muslim's in this country and those in other counties, are trying to subvert laws based on their religion. You all can say it ain't so- but saying it does not change the facts.

"The judge's ruling comes as conservative lawmakers in Florida and around the nation are increasingly discussing legislation to ban or curtail the use of Islamic law, sometimes called sharia law, in U.S. courts". link

As an attorney yourself, you know quite well that when you wish to create precedence you do so one case at a time. How successful this push is will be determined by how willing American's are to understand the threat.

"The answer may be in a document was seized in 1982 by the Swiss government that outlined a 12 point strategy to “establish an Islamic government on earth,” identified as The Project. According to Swiss authorities, it was prepared by Islamic researchers and presented a multi phased long term approach to the cultural invasion of the West. One of those tenets was the incorporation of Sharia law into society and to use deceit as a means to accomplish it."
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There was no precedence in this case. The attorney at the trial court level used the husband's religious beliefs as a defense, the TRIAL court judge bought it, and the appeals court smacked both of them down. Precedence is ONLY EVER established when the Appeals court upholds the ruling of the trial court and there is a published opinion. Otherwise, it is just creative lawyering that ultimately goes nowhere. There was no precedence in this case.
 
Socrtease said:
There was no precedence in this case. The attorney at the trial court level used the husband's religious beliefs as a defense, the TRIAL court judge bought it, and the appeals court smacked both of them down. Precedence is ONLY EVER established when the Appeals court upholds the ruling of the trial court and there is a published opinion. Otherwise, it is just creative lawyering that ultimately goes nowhere. There was no precedence in this case.
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But your entire mind is suspect, due to your belief that discrimination against white males is not a civil rights violation, but some righteous form of race based justice.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
What is with you people? It seems that good old Joe McCarthy's ghost is alive and well and looking for new reds under the bed.
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We didn't know the Khmer Rouge was threat until 25% of the Cambodian population was dead....
The Japs weren't a big deal until 12/7/41
Al Qaeda wasn't a major threat until 9/11 either.....


If there is anything we should have learned from history, its that we can't ignore and dismiss the threats and ranting rhetoric of people that mean us harm....
seems you haven't learned that lesson yet.
 
Tell me Alias, if I decided to live under the strictest rules of some new religion, which Amendment to the Constitution would apply to my situation and what does it say?
 
Question for the side "against" Alias' perspective on this.

If the courts decided to start using Leviticus in the courtroom to decide on law would it be okay, or would it be establishing religion into law?
 
bravo said:
Why would we be ?.....The educated among us KNOW the United States was developed around and from Judeo/Christian laws and ethics.....
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Are you serious? Did you actually read those articles? It's pretty obvious to me that you couldn't have done.

When my brother locked the doors against me less than a week after my father died, he boasted that as the first-born son, he could take my old home, even though a deed my parents wrote in 2001 made me the sole owner after their deaths. Although I ultimately won justice, I have been saddened at how much I've had to fight alone.
The expensive law firm I hired assigned an Orthodox Jewish lawyer to my case, who (after I had paid some $75,000 in legal fees) urged me to settle with my brother. My lawyer claimed my "strong personality" would "turn off" a jury. (When the case finally came to trial, there was in fact no jury at all.)
Apparently the idea of a woman demanding her legal rights from an older, celebrated brother really does turn off many Orthodox. Several posters on an Orthodox-run blog, Vos Iz Neias, vilified me for trying to defend my inheritance rights.
"Torah [Jewish law] is clear," wrote one, "daughters get nothing." Another insisted that because I had gone to court to assert my rights I had "turned my back" on my father's religion and was "somebody who publicly defames the Tora[h]."
My victory goes to Orthodox Jewish women everywhere who share my view that first-born sons have no right to treat their sisters with blatant disregard.
I've organized something called Sisters of B'khors (SOB, if you don't mind the pun) to help other Jewish women stand up to eldest brothers who would rob them of their modern legal rights.
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Yisrael Briskman's wife in Israel wanted a divorce, and a rabbinical court decided she should be granted one. But Briskman refused and fled to the United States, where the FBI says an Orthodox Jewish rabbi and his wife lured him to their New Jersey home, kidnapped him and said they'd bury him alive in the Pocono Mountains if he didn't relent.
Briskman said he was kicked repeatedly in the ribs at the home in Lakewood, robbed and shown the dark body bag he'd soon inhabit if he didn't free his wife from their marital bonds.
"For you to get used to the size," Rabbi David Wax is quoted as saying in the criminal complaint leading to his surrender to the FBI this month.
If this Sopranos-style plot is true — which the Waxes deny — it is an anomaly. But it's not uncommon for religious communities to use coercive tactics to pressure recalcitrant husbands into granting their wives a "get," or religious divorce. Tactics run the gamut from denying social and religious privileges to using financial and legal leverage.
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