OWS movement: We've seen this before!
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It doesn't matter SuperFreak.
If Huntsman or Christie were nominated it would be one thing, but Rommney is just Obama lite. It makes little differnce which of them win,
but libs will vote for Obama anyway.
Alias
Banned
DUNE GETS DOLLED UP FOR DATE WITH POET
Really Moderators?
This is on topic?
This isn't repetitive?
What the fuck.
I am just about out of here between this shitbird, and yurt's constant lying,
which really sucks because I like a lot of you and have fun here.
I mean what the fuck does this photo have to do with the topic,
or my post?
This asshole is a useless ignorant troll who NEVER contibutes anything positive,
in addition to being a rancid racist and a rampant liar.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Why are you upset?
The picture could be considered flattering, is you lightened up on the makeup under the eyes.
Kind of makes it look like you've been crying.
I am upset because the guy in the photo is better looking than I am, what did you think?
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Then you should have voiced that complaint, earlier on and not left it up to speculation.
No sarcasm filter I guess.
apple0154
MEOW
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
apple0154
MEOW
(Excerpt) Yesterday’s elections included three measures that received national attention do to Republican attempts to cram their agenda down voters throats. They hoodwinked their way into office by promising jobs, and far too many Americans believed their lies. In Ohio, Republicans tried to destroy the power of unions. In Maine, Republicans tried to limit voter registration. In Mississippi, Republicans tried to give a fertilized egg all the rights of a person, making it murder for a doctor to end a pregnancy to save the life of a woman. Thankfully, it was a bad day for Republican Tyranny. (End)
http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/2011/11/09/a-bad-day-for-republican-tyranny/
Naughty, naughty, Repubs.
apple0154
MEOW
I was giving a real life example.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Next time, try using an example that rings of the truth; because it might help you.
apple0154
MEOW
I have mentioned the example before, long before now. Whether you believe me or not, that's your problem.
M'eh. Latin rules that some fuddling old man decided to add on to English regardless of standard usage...
Couldn't care less. (Of course my editor can, but that is beside the point.)
Bfgrn
New member
Superfreak;
LMAO... yeah, so you don't post from Politco, Moveon and Huff po?
No Politico, have never even visited Moveon. I do visit Huffington Post, the site is a news website that gathers articles from numerous sources, like the Washington Post, CBS, NBC etc. I have read numerous articles on HP that are critical of Obama and Democrats.
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I didn't ignore it you twit. I addressed it. This is your consistent problem, you have a severe selective reading disorder. Posting a few nonsensical quotes from Republicans doesn't mean the vast majority of your posts are from LEFT WING sites.
The David Frum article is not a quote. It is an op-ed where he revealed that Republicans made a collective decision to undermine health care reform. Their sole intent was to damage our President. Waterloo
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Yes, it is pure propaganda. That plan (assuming those numbers are correct) is not 'stealing from granny'. It is not stealing from anyone. If the current system is about $60 Trillion underfunded then the current generation is STEALING from the future generations. Asking them to pay for today's seniors at the expense of their own futures. Ryan's plan simply states that people have to pay a bigger share or the system as a whole implodes. Which it will in its present state. Tell us genius, if the system goes bankrupt, what portion of the bill will seniors then be paying? Hint: It is a three figure percentage.... I will give you a hint: It looks remarkably like 100%.
Ryan's plan is a disaster, not because liberals are lying about it, but because they’re describing it accurately. It will end Medicare as we know it. Even Newt Gingrich called it "right-wing social engineering". Ryan claims applying "free-market principles" to the insurance market is the best way to control costs. BULLSHIT. The Congressional Budget Office destroys that myth. The cost to buy private insurance, plus the projected out-of-pocket spending that the 65-year-old would have to pay for medical care in 2022, would total about $20,510 per year, according to the CBO, which both Republicans and Democrats rely on to independently evaluate the effects of proposed legislation.
That would leave the senior to pay the difference, an estimated $12,510.
By comparison, if the current Medicare program is continued, the CBO estimated that it would cost about $14,770 to provide insurance to that same 65-year old in 2022, assuming Congress did not dramatically slash payments to doctors.
That would leave the senior to pay just $6,150 out of pocket.
"A typical beneficiary would spend more for healthcare," the CBO concluded about Ryan's proposal.
A major factor in the price difference is the relative inefficiency of private health plans. Even though commercial insurers may do a better job of managing their customers' care, they are not as efficient as Medicare at controlling costs. "Both administrative costs [including profits] and payment rates to providers are higher for private plans than for Medicare," the CBO noted.
That is consistent with previous research by the budget office and the independent Government Accountability Office, which found that private plans that contract with the federal government to provide Medicare Advantage plans to seniors have higher administrative costs.
Because Medicare covers about 48 million Americans, it is also able to use its unrivaled market clout to pay lower prices to hospitals and doctors, saving money.
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Pure nonsense. It is funny that when you post idiotic claims such as the above that is the only instances that you DONT provide links to the actual data. Not an article on it. But the government site and app for permit that allows them to dump whatever they want. Please show us that.
EPA to let mining industry dump waste in waterways
May 03, 2002: The Bush administration has reversed a 25-year-old Clean Water Act rule that flatly prohibited disposal of mining and other industrial solid wastes into the nation's waters. On May 3, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued new regulations making it legal for coal companies to dump "fill material" -- dirt and rock waste leftover from mountaintop removal mining -- into rivers, streams, lakes and wetlands. Mountaintop removal is a cheap and efficient form of coal mining in which soil and rock are blasted and scraped away by enormous machines, then dumped down the mountainside into adjacent valleys and the streams that run through them.
The EPA's new rule changes federal regulations that prevented waterways from being used as repositories for industrial waste. But the administration claims that it is only clarifying the differences between existing EPA and Corps regulations regarding the definition of fill material. Bush officials have justified the EPA's decision as economically necessary to save one-third of West Virginia's coal mining industry -- involving about 3,000 jobs -- from shutting down for lack of an affordable way to dispose of mining waste. They also claimed that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers could minimize resulting environmental damage by taking steps to limit the size and number of valley fills that can occur in Appalachian mining operations.
"The mining industry and scores of other industrial polluters received a gift today from the Bush administration, which has declared that all waters across the country are now open to industry for waste disposal," said NRDC attorney Daniel Rosenberg. "This single act -- described by the EPA with Orwellian perfection as a 'clarification' that will 'enhance environmental protection of our wetlands and streams' -- is the most significant weakening of Clean Water Act rules since the act was passed in 1972."
© 2011 Natural Resources Defense Council
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The problem you brainwashed left wingers never grasp is that some regulations are necessary, many are not. Just look at the moronic attempts to regulate CO2 as a prime example. Are you aware that if those measures go through those grannies on fixed income will be devoting more of their budget to energy bills? Does this mean the Dems are STEALING from granny?
Name ONE industry that emits only CO2?
Maybe Republicans have been able to get God to heal people poisoned by carcinogens and pollution, because their attack on pollution abatement is the worst we've ever seen. The teapublicans have the distinction of being the most anti-environment House of Representatives in U.S. history. All in the name of 'job creation' ...YEA, there will be HUGE job growth for undertakers, grave diggers and chemotherapy technicians!
The GOP's Hidden Debt-Deal Agenda: Gut the EPA - Time
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You wouldn't understand environmental stewardship if it hit you in the face. As I stated, there are numerous regulations that are nonsensical. Some are required. If you have a specific bill you wish to discuss, then be specific and we can do so.
I have to apologize, you don't spew know nothing-isms...you clearly just know nothing...
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Are there or are there not panels in Obama care that will decide which procedures will be covered (note: these are done on a cost basis analysis)?
The original 'death panel' LIE was an attack on a major Medicare cost cutting measure: advance directives. More than 25% of Medicare costs are paid for the last year of life.
Promoting advanced directives puts decisions in proper hands
It’s a simple concept: An individual, with the help of family, should have the ultimate say in the type of end-of-life care the individual receives. The best way to do that is through a careful consultation, with family and physician, before there is a health crisis — while the individual is still capable of having a rational voice in the decision.
Too often, those decisions are made when it’s too late for the individual to make the decisions. Instead, grieving family members are left to make the decision — and at times it’s nothing more than a guess.
Would the individual want extraordinary measures taken when the end is near? Why wouldn’t we trust the individual — in advance and when thinking clearly — to make that decision?
For those who crusade for the rights of the individual, here’s the question: Why are you so opposed to the individual being able to set down on paper, with help from family and physician, the standards and wishes for end-of-life care?
The issue of death panels became so hot during this year’s debate on health-care reform legislation that Democrats decided to pull that provision from the bill.
YOUR ignorant attack is the second wave of death panel LIES...
The Facts About the Independent Payment Advisory Board
Key to these savings is a proposal to strengthen the Independent Payment Advisory Board – IPAB, which was created by the Affordable Care Act. Here’s how IPAB works:
* 15 experts including doctors and patient advocates would be nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve on IPAB.
* IPAB would recommend policies to Congress to help Medicare provide better care at lower costs. This could include ideas on coordinating care, getting rid of waste in the system, incentivizing best practices, and prioritizing primary care.
* IPAB is specifically prohibited by law from recommending any policies that ration care, raise taxes, increase premiums or cost-sharing, restrict benefits or modify who is eligible for Medicare.
* Congress then has the power to accept or reject these recommendations. If Congress rejects the recommendations, and Medicare spending exceeds specific targets, Congress must either enact policies that achieve equivalent savings or let the Secretary of Health and Human Services follow IPAB’s recommendations.
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With Obama care, is the government more or less involved in the national health care system and how it is managed?
The government is doing it's job. Protecting We, the People and placing needed regulations on insurance cartels. Unless you want REAL death panels?
LMAO... yeah, so you don't post from Politco, Moveon and Huff po?
No Politico, have never even visited Moveon. I do visit Huffington Post, the site is a news website that gathers articles from numerous sources, like the Washington Post, CBS, NBC etc. I have read numerous articles on HP that are critical of Obama and Democrats.
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I didn't ignore it you twit. I addressed it. This is your consistent problem, you have a severe selective reading disorder. Posting a few nonsensical quotes from Republicans doesn't mean the vast majority of your posts are from LEFT WING sites.
The David Frum article is not a quote. It is an op-ed where he revealed that Republicans made a collective decision to undermine health care reform. Their sole intent was to damage our President. Waterloo
---
Yes, it is pure propaganda. That plan (assuming those numbers are correct) is not 'stealing from granny'. It is not stealing from anyone. If the current system is about $60 Trillion underfunded then the current generation is STEALING from the future generations. Asking them to pay for today's seniors at the expense of their own futures. Ryan's plan simply states that people have to pay a bigger share or the system as a whole implodes. Which it will in its present state. Tell us genius, if the system goes bankrupt, what portion of the bill will seniors then be paying? Hint: It is a three figure percentage.... I will give you a hint: It looks remarkably like 100%.
Ryan's plan is a disaster, not because liberals are lying about it, but because they’re describing it accurately. It will end Medicare as we know it. Even Newt Gingrich called it "right-wing social engineering". Ryan claims applying "free-market principles" to the insurance market is the best way to control costs. BULLSHIT. The Congressional Budget Office destroys that myth. The cost to buy private insurance, plus the projected out-of-pocket spending that the 65-year-old would have to pay for medical care in 2022, would total about $20,510 per year, according to the CBO, which both Republicans and Democrats rely on to independently evaluate the effects of proposed legislation.
That would leave the senior to pay the difference, an estimated $12,510.
By comparison, if the current Medicare program is continued, the CBO estimated that it would cost about $14,770 to provide insurance to that same 65-year old in 2022, assuming Congress did not dramatically slash payments to doctors.
That would leave the senior to pay just $6,150 out of pocket.
"A typical beneficiary would spend more for healthcare," the CBO concluded about Ryan's proposal.
A major factor in the price difference is the relative inefficiency of private health plans. Even though commercial insurers may do a better job of managing their customers' care, they are not as efficient as Medicare at controlling costs. "Both administrative costs [including profits] and payment rates to providers are higher for private plans than for Medicare," the CBO noted.
That is consistent with previous research by the budget office and the independent Government Accountability Office, which found that private plans that contract with the federal government to provide Medicare Advantage plans to seniors have higher administrative costs.
Because Medicare covers about 48 million Americans, it is also able to use its unrivaled market clout to pay lower prices to hospitals and doctors, saving money.
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Pure nonsense. It is funny that when you post idiotic claims such as the above that is the only instances that you DONT provide links to the actual data. Not an article on it. But the government site and app for permit that allows them to dump whatever they want. Please show us that.
EPA to let mining industry dump waste in waterways
May 03, 2002: The Bush administration has reversed a 25-year-old Clean Water Act rule that flatly prohibited disposal of mining and other industrial solid wastes into the nation's waters. On May 3, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued new regulations making it legal for coal companies to dump "fill material" -- dirt and rock waste leftover from mountaintop removal mining -- into rivers, streams, lakes and wetlands. Mountaintop removal is a cheap and efficient form of coal mining in which soil and rock are blasted and scraped away by enormous machines, then dumped down the mountainside into adjacent valleys and the streams that run through them.
The EPA's new rule changes federal regulations that prevented waterways from being used as repositories for industrial waste. But the administration claims that it is only clarifying the differences between existing EPA and Corps regulations regarding the definition of fill material. Bush officials have justified the EPA's decision as economically necessary to save one-third of West Virginia's coal mining industry -- involving about 3,000 jobs -- from shutting down for lack of an affordable way to dispose of mining waste. They also claimed that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers could minimize resulting environmental damage by taking steps to limit the size and number of valley fills that can occur in Appalachian mining operations.
"The mining industry and scores of other industrial polluters received a gift today from the Bush administration, which has declared that all waters across the country are now open to industry for waste disposal," said NRDC attorney Daniel Rosenberg. "This single act -- described by the EPA with Orwellian perfection as a 'clarification' that will 'enhance environmental protection of our wetlands and streams' -- is the most significant weakening of Clean Water Act rules since the act was passed in 1972."
© 2011 Natural Resources Defense Council
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The problem you brainwashed left wingers never grasp is that some regulations are necessary, many are not. Just look at the moronic attempts to regulate CO2 as a prime example. Are you aware that if those measures go through those grannies on fixed income will be devoting more of their budget to energy bills? Does this mean the Dems are STEALING from granny?
Name ONE industry that emits only CO2?
Maybe Republicans have been able to get God to heal people poisoned by carcinogens and pollution, because their attack on pollution abatement is the worst we've ever seen. The teapublicans have the distinction of being the most anti-environment House of Representatives in U.S. history. All in the name of 'job creation' ...YEA, there will be HUGE job growth for undertakers, grave diggers and chemotherapy technicians!
The GOP's Hidden Debt-Deal Agenda: Gut the EPA - Time
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You wouldn't understand environmental stewardship if it hit you in the face. As I stated, there are numerous regulations that are nonsensical. Some are required. If you have a specific bill you wish to discuss, then be specific and we can do so.
I have to apologize, you don't spew know nothing-isms...you clearly just know nothing...
---
Are there or are there not panels in Obama care that will decide which procedures will be covered (note: these are done on a cost basis analysis)?
The original 'death panel' LIE was an attack on a major Medicare cost cutting measure: advance directives. More than 25% of Medicare costs are paid for the last year of life.
Promoting advanced directives puts decisions in proper hands
It’s a simple concept: An individual, with the help of family, should have the ultimate say in the type of end-of-life care the individual receives. The best way to do that is through a careful consultation, with family and physician, before there is a health crisis — while the individual is still capable of having a rational voice in the decision.
Too often, those decisions are made when it’s too late for the individual to make the decisions. Instead, grieving family members are left to make the decision — and at times it’s nothing more than a guess.
Would the individual want extraordinary measures taken when the end is near? Why wouldn’t we trust the individual — in advance and when thinking clearly — to make that decision?
For those who crusade for the rights of the individual, here’s the question: Why are you so opposed to the individual being able to set down on paper, with help from family and physician, the standards and wishes for end-of-life care?
The issue of death panels became so hot during this year’s debate on health-care reform legislation that Democrats decided to pull that provision from the bill.
YOUR ignorant attack is the second wave of death panel LIES...
The Facts About the Independent Payment Advisory Board
Key to these savings is a proposal to strengthen the Independent Payment Advisory Board – IPAB, which was created by the Affordable Care Act. Here’s how IPAB works:
* 15 experts including doctors and patient advocates would be nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve on IPAB.
* IPAB would recommend policies to Congress to help Medicare provide better care at lower costs. This could include ideas on coordinating care, getting rid of waste in the system, incentivizing best practices, and prioritizing primary care.
* IPAB is specifically prohibited by law from recommending any policies that ration care, raise taxes, increase premiums or cost-sharing, restrict benefits or modify who is eligible for Medicare.
* Congress then has the power to accept or reject these recommendations. If Congress rejects the recommendations, and Medicare spending exceeds specific targets, Congress must either enact policies that achieve equivalent savings or let the Secretary of Health and Human Services follow IPAB’s recommendations.
---
With Obama care, is the government more or less involved in the national health care system and how it is managed?
The government is doing it's job. Protecting We, the People and placing needed regulations on insurance cartels. Unless you want REAL death panels?
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Because it's to full of holes; but then maybe Kanada does things differently and doesn't offer protection to it's consumers.
Lowaicue
英語在香港
It is a 'rule' and, as such, has its exceptions. 'Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put. ' (WC)
apple0154
MEOW
OK, let's say you hire a roofing company. The company offers a 10 year warranty. You have the roof replaced. The following year the roof leaks and when you try to call the company you find out the number is no longer good and further investigation shows the company went bankrupt a few months prior.
Question: Who fixes your roof?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
if liberals ran things, it would be someone richer than you.......