Why the silence over violence from OWS?

Yurt said:
hey tom, this is a board that is about POLITICS. this movement is political. hopefully you can put two and two together.

i do speak out against those who started this mess, i find your dishonest characterization just another whiny smear. this movement is a joke. as i've repeatedly said, if they want to make change, march on the WH and capital hill.
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First thing, are you embarrassed that a Brit corrects your spelling? It's Capitol Hill not capital hill. Secondly, we get that you don't like the OWS movement and I will agree that there are some that are just there to drink, smoke joints and have sex, are you jealous? However, even though you think they are naive and idealistic, not everybody was born a young fogey like you. I would say that I'm just amazed that there are people who are motivated enough to do something even if it's probably going to be futile. I will remind you of the hippy movement which started in Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, there were many then that said the exact same things, that are being said now, and look how that changed the world, not all for the good by the way.

I don't know about you but I've seen very little contrition or even the slightest recognition from Wall Street that they have behaved in a disgusting manner. It just seems to be the usual thing that it will all blow over and the same old shit will just carry on regardless.
 
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Yurt said:
my threshold would be numerous media outlets. in the AP, reuters etc.... you claim to be a smart guy, i would think this should be a simple concept for you. whenever something minor happened with a tea party protest, it was all over the media. quite the opposite is true with anything OWS.
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Well, again, I only checked the one, but the story was right there. And that's one thing I find interesting w/ your posts. You seem very concerned about a double-standard, particularly with rhetoric and coverage about the TEA party vs. OWS. But you have started as many, if not more, derogatory threads about OWS as anyone I saw regarding the TEA party, save for maybe 1 or 2 posters.

And the threads are more along the lines of what webbway would start - trying to paint the whole movement with the actions of a small few. It's generally an unsuccessful method of persuasion.
 
Onceler said:
Well, again, I only checked the one, but the story was right there. And that's one thing I find interesting w/ your posts. You seem very concerned about a double-standard, particularly with rhetoric and coverage about the TEA party vs. OWS. But you have started as many, if not more, derogatory threads about OWS as anyone I saw regarding the TEA party, save for maybe 1 or 2 posters.

And the threads are more along the lines of what webbway would start - trying to paint the whole movement with the actions of a small few. It's generally an unsuccessful method of persuasion.
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and yet.....all you can find is one

again, thanks for proving my point

funny how you find the truth derogatory....and funny how you didn't speak out against those who demonized the tea party. hack
 
Yurt said:
and yet.....all you can find is one

again, thanks for proving my point

funny how you find the truth derogatory....and funny how you didn't speak out against those who demonized the tea party. hack
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No, no - you misunderstand. I haven't really looked beyond the one outlet. I'm not inclined to go looking all over the place. It's not important to me, and it's clear that "virtually silent" was a mischaracterization from you.

Also, the way you have presented it has most certainly been derogatory. It's exclusively one-sided; you seem to be on the hunt for what you perceive as stories that will put the protesters in a bad light, to fit your pre-conceived narrative about them. If a news outlet did the same thing, with any story, you would definitely call them biased, at the very least. They wouldn't be truthful in the full sense of that word.
 
=Aoxomoxoa;897793]First thing, are you embarrassed that a Brit corrects your spelling?
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no, my secretary also corrects spelling and she is not a brit. job well done, perhaps someday you could work your way up to be my secretary.

It's Capitol Hill not capital hill. Secondly, we get that you don't like the OWS movement and I will agree that there are some that are just there to drink, smoke joints and have sex, are you jealous?
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cite where i've even mentioned those things about OWS. mr. secretary.

However, even though you think they are naive and idealistic, not everybody was born a young fogey like you. I would say that I'm just amazed that there are people who are motivated enough to do something even if it's probably going to be futile. I will remind you of the hippy movement which started in Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, there were many then that said the exact same things, that are being said now, and look how that changed the world, not all for the good by the way.
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you might be right. however, i also might be right. to compare the two groups shows you're blinded by partisan politics.


I don't know about you but I've seen very little contrition or even the slightest recognition from Wall Street that they have behaved in a disgusting manner. It just seems to be the usual thing that it will all blow over and the same old shit will just carry on regardless.
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again, and i can't believe i have to keep asking this - what is wall street doing that is illegal or immoral that the OWS groups are protesting? i will say again, they should march on the WH and capitol hill <-- thank you secretary for the typo correction.
 
Yurt said:
this only furthers my belief that most of the protesters are faux protesters....they are only protesting to be cool. maybe 1% are true protesters.
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Dude! They're obviously TEABAGGERS posing as OWS to discredit the peaceful movement and serve their WALL STREET MASTERS
 
Onceler said:
Again, fairly unscientific. Generally, the 1% figure is closer to the size of the group that is creating the violence. And many OWS protesters have disavowed the violence; it isn't correct to say that they've been silent on it.
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excellent points
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Holy shit, you've started several threads on basically the same subject, why does it bother you so much? I would love to see even a smattering of the same passion directed towards the bastards that caused the economic crisis in the first place.
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Their districts and states keep re-electing them.
 
cawacko said:
This is from today's paper where they interview several people who support the violence. What's interesting of course is that they attacked places that have been supporting the 99%ers.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/04/MN5E1LQ9UB.DTL
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It doesn't surprise me that some do. I have no doubt that there are some who would like this to look like the kind of revolution they read about in textbooks, and who think the only means to the end is through force or physical action.

It's something that has played out forever through history. I'm more in the Ghandi camp; the ends can be achieved through non-violent means.
 
Onceler said:
It doesn't surprise me that some do. I have no doubt that there are some who would like this to look like the kind of revolution they read about in textbooks, and who think the only means to the end is through force or physical action.

It's something that has played out forever through history. I'm more in the Ghandi camp; the ends can be achieved through non-violent means.
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Like shoving Motorcycle cops off of their motorcycles and then running, in an attempt to avoid being held responsible?
 
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