Does freemasonry still hold influence in government?

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wiseones2cents

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I know this is a free mason run site and was wondering. And how do Christians feel about their pagan goddess statues and other pagan symbols in America?
 
The square and compass are pagan symbols ?......get a grip, unwiseone.....99% of Masons are Christians...

you need a boogieman, huh.
 
bravo said:
The square and compass are pagan symbols ?......get a grip, unwiseone.....99% of Masons are Christians...

you need a boogieman, huh.
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No I'm taking about their pagan goddess. The Statue of Liberty. That was fashioned after the Goddess Attis. See the resemblance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Statue_of_a_reclining_Attis_at_the_Shrine_of_Attis_2.jpg

Then you have their obelisk in Washington DC that is a copy of an Egyptian monument made to the god Ra.

Then you have the statue of freedom that was fashioned after a egyptian peasant but the clothing of Mithras a pagan god that is also known to be female in some cultures.

Then you have the pentagon that is shaped as the star of the devil(The pentagram). It may be illuminati but there is also Luciferian cults among the freemasons.

Can you explain any of these and can they be classified as pagan idols? Especially the statue of liberty?

99% of freemasons are Christian?? I've noticed quite a few Jews, Muslims, Hindus and everything else.
 
For most of US history, we have considered ourselves grounded and educated in the classics and classical history. Most Americans have never seen any harm in celebrating Graeco-Roman culture, or of contemporary (to them) cultures such as Egypt, Carthage, and Persia. Especially since much of it pre-dates Christianity.
 
Elias Koteas said:
For most of US history, we have considered ourselves grounded and educated in the classics and classical history. Most Americans have never seen any harm in celebrating Graeco-Roman culture, or of contemporary (to them) cultures such as Egypt, Carthage, and Persia. Especially since much of it pre-dates Christianity.
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Elias? Greek, Jew or both? Do you speak for the Christians also? Do you think they would not see any harm if they knew there were statues of pagan gods on their land?
 
wiseones2cents said:
Elias? Greek, Jew or both? Do you speak for the Christians also? Do you think they would not see any harm if they knew there were statues of pagan gods on their land?
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Definitely Greek. Since Christians saw fit to erect those statues, I think we have our answers there.
 
The question posed was whether or not freemasonry has an influence on government. Strange how that particular question produces waving autumn fields of straw men.

Yes. Freemasonry DOES influence government. It influences government, police, business and more important than all, the judiciary. All you need to do, when faced with a member of any of those organisations is ask the question. Are you a freemason or a member of any other secret organisation? Freemasons are prohibited from denying their membership. They will simply answer indirectly.
You should NEVER accept ANY judge, jury or lawyer who will not state that he is not a member. You should also ask, if a plaintiff or defendant in any case, whether the opposition has affiliations to freemasonry. In most jurisdictions you have a right to apply to be heard by a different court. You must do that.
No freemason will EVER condemn a fellow mason. They say that they act within the law and so they do, but there is a huge difference between acting within the law and and being honest. It's the 'whole truth' they avoid.
Governments all over the world are influenced by freemasonry. Freemasonry in government will always promote the innocence of its members who are very often big business.
The law allows one man to fight another for justice but it does not allow one small man to fight against a large corporation. Freemasons will do anything, literally anything, to prevent an even playing field.
 
Elias Koteas said:
Because Mason conspiracy bullshit is made up of nothing but strawmen.
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You KNOW you are wrong, don't you. You KNOW.
I also KNOW. Having been closely involved for many years. So please do not lie. As a mason you should simply leave the thread and say nothing.
 
Elias Koteas said:
Because Mason conspiracy bullshit is made up of nothing but strawmen.
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How are they straw man conspiracy? Alphonso Taft set up the Skull and Bones secret society at Yale. As an off shoot to freemasonry. And we know both GWB and John Kerry were members. They were stacking the deck to make sure their man made it in. I would imagine that there are similar societies in all the ivy leagues no? And they have influence all over the world in every government.
 
That is nothing. You want to see some crazy shit, check this out. Then the next time someone talks about oligarchy or aristocracy, you will know they are onto something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_relationships_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Not only are all the rpresidents related to each other, but they are all decended from the european royal family as well.
Furthermore, most of their wives can also trace their roots back to the european royal family.

If you want to get real serious about it of course, you will find that europes ruling or royal family decends from egyptian pharohs.

Now it is true that if we go back 27 generations, we are all related (yes bravo, even you and black folks have common ancestors),
but in spite of this, if you do the math, you will find that only 1 in 4 presidents should share their family trees.

Is this a coincidence? Far from it. The odds are so astronmicaly opposed to such a circumstance that it cannot be described as coincidence.

The really interesting thing; In any given race for president, the candidate with the highest percentage of royal blood, (nearest in line for the throne)
wins.
Yes, this means that the candidates are in the family too. Kerry, McCain and even Palin are all cousins.

So, how is that democracy thing working out for ya?
 
So why did I cheer when Obama was elected? It certainly wasn't about him, it was about us.
While we still have a long way to go, at least we as a people (some of us that is) elected a black man president, even if he was part of the royal family.
 
Lowaicue said:
The question posed was whether or not freemasonry has an influence on government. Strange how that particular question produces waving autumn fields of straw men.

Yes. Freemasonry DOES influence government. It influences government, police, business and more important than all, the judiciary. All you need to do, when faced with a member of any of those organisations is ask the question. Are you a freemason or a member of any other secret organisation? Freemasons are prohibited from denying their membership. They will simply answer indirectly.
You should NEVER accept ANY judge, jury or lawyer who will not state that he is not a member. You should also ask, if a plaintiff or defendant in any case, whether the opposition has affiliations to freemasonry. In most jurisdictions you have a right to apply to be heard by a different court. You must do that.
No freemason will EVER condemn a fellow mason. They say that they act within the law and so they do, but there is a huge difference between acting within the law and and being honest. It's the 'whole truth' they avoid.
Governments all over the world are influenced by freemasonry. Freemasonry in government will always promote the innocence of its members who are very often big business.
The law allows one man to fight another for justice but it does not allow one small man to fight against a large corporation. Freemasons will do anything, literally anything, to prevent an even playing field.
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proof?
 
Schadenfreude said:
proof?
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With the greatest respect, what kind of proof would satisfy you? This is a forum on the internet. You cannot even prove that you are who you say you are.
There is, however, incontavertible evidence. However, your reaction to my post suggests that you would not be prepared to accept any evidence.
If you are not a mason, I suggest you do your own research. If you are then you know I am right.
 
Lowaicue said:
With the greatest respect, what kind of proof would satisfy you? This is a forum on the internet. You cannot even prove that you are who you say you are.
There is, however, incontavertible evidence. However, your reaction to my post suggests that you would not be prepared to accept any evidence.
If you are not a mason, I suggest you do your own research. If you are then you know I am right.
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i am curious how you came to this opinion - you must have done some research or talked to actual masons that influence government

what is the highest level in government that the mason(s) has influenced/is influencing

and yes i am a free mason (since 1967) and while there have been some members of local government in my lodge, there were no state or federal members of government

now at one time free masons exercised quite a bit of influence at all levels of government, but those times have passed - especially after the members of a lodge back east executed a member for revealing secrets of the lodge - subsequent to that action the number of free masons and lodges starting declining and with that their influence declined
 
Schadenfreude said:
i am curious how you came to this opinion - you must have done some research or talked to actual masons that influence government

what is the highest level in government that the mason(s) has influenced/is influencing

and yes i am a free mason (since 1967) and while there have been some members of local government in my lodge, there were no state or federal members of government

now at one time free masons exercised quite a bit of influence at all levels of government, but those times have passed - especially after the members of a lodge back east executed a member for revealing secrets of the lodge - subsequent to that action the number of free masons and lodges starting declining and with that their influence declined
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In answer to your first question the answer is yes. I have seen it at work with my own eyes, my father, a one time Mark Mason became disillusioned when he watched my brother using Freemasonry purely as a vehicle for corruption, lying and cheating. My father made a formal complaint and demanded that my brother be disciplined. However my brother's then connections, solicitors, chief of police, baristers left my father's complaint languishing somewhere in the oppulent corridors of No 1, Kennedy Rd, Hong Kong.
A good friend who has since retired from the police was 'instructed' to join the masons on his arrival in HK many years ago. He went once or twice and then disillusionment set in. In a court case in which I was personally involved my lawyer inadvertently revealed that he often discussed legal cases with opposing lawyers at the lodge meetings. I sent a letter to the Law Society and guess what? Yup the panel who sat were, to a man, masons. The complaint was dismissed.
We have a noble organisation called the ICAC, a government body set up to fight corruption. Ten years ago or so the boss of the ICAC, a Brit was .... a mason.
One of my brother's contacts, a barister from the antipodes, was involved in international corruption involving a senior member of the HK government. This man procured a gun disguised as a pen, and transport from S China to N Zealand where the government official ended his days. All masons.
One of my drinking buddies is a mason and another aquaintance with whom I have discussed freemasonry is a WM. Both admit to knowing that Freemasonry, in general, can be and probably is corrupt.
In the US the following were masons:
George Washington
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
James Garfield
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
William Taft
Warren Harding
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry S Truman
Lyndon Johnson
Gerald Ford

Now, I didn't need to tell you all that because as a mason of 44 years standing you know.
I am not saying every mason is corrupt. I am not saying that every mason is not to be trusted. What I am saying is that wherever you have a 'secret society' that has amongst its members many of society's elite and a lot of wealth, there will be corruption and undue influence upon governments and the judiciary.
 
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