Obama Wants Your Health Records

Yeah, everything I said that bothered me about the law is now a sudden realization to others...

I said,"Some other entity than the government should be where we centralize those records, some entity with a direct legislative requirement to keep the records sacrosanct and a definitive determination that the government shall not have access to the records without due cause."

People told me I was nuts, and that I didn't understand the legislation. Unlike the congresspeople who passed the bill, I actually read it.
 
as time marches on, the people will literally be stunned to see how much power they gave the feds over their lives, but i still see them completely unwilling to attempt to take it back.
 
Yurt said:
insurance companies are a different matter as you agree to allow them access. quite different than the government getting access.

do you support the government getting access to YOUR medical records?
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The NHS keeps a record of everybody's medical records, if the police want to look at them then they have to apply for a court order.
 
Yurt said:
i really hope not.
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Section 215 of the Patriot Act gives the government the ability to look at personal records held by a third party. It states that the government has the power to force any company to turn over their personal records. This power also gives the government free reign to look at anyone’s medical histories, financial records, and anything else that is on file.


http://www.ehow.com/about_6525961_usa-patriot-act-search.html
 
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Aoxomoxoa said:
The NHS keeps a record of everybody's medical records, if the police want to look at them then they have to apply for a court order.
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And here in the US we fully understand how easily that line is crossed. At least Japanese, Italian, and German Americans who had their families in camps during WWII do after the records that were supposedly sacrosanct were used to find the "undesirables" to place them in those wonderful facilities. We're also clear on the fact that party isn't indicative of benevolence.
 
The only thing I see is a proposal that references reinsurance and offsetting risk. Where on the source document (not from the EDITORIAL), does it mention turning over all medical records of US Citizens?
 
LadyT said:
The only thing I see is a proposal that references reinsurance and offsetting risk. Where on the source document (not from the EDITORIAL), does it mention turning over all medical records of US Citizens?
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Good question, and it seems none of the panicky pink-panty pissing paranoiacs will answer it.
 
christiefan915 said:
Pages 11 and 12 of the link. No demand is being made.

Federal Register / Vol. 76, No. 136 / Friday, July 15, 2011 / Proposed Rules

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-07-15/pdf/2011-17609.pdf
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And my position is that only choice number 3 on page 11 should be available at all. There should be no government record available to any government entity of your medical records, they should not be kept in government databases anywhere, including state level. Option 1 is right out, option 2 less evil but still evil, option 3 the only option that should exist and it should be heavily limited for government access in every level. The government should have zero access to your health data without due cause and a warrant.

I like the idea of a centralization, this proposal only begins that process (incremental steps).. I just don't believe that there is any reason to trust the government with that, and it shouldn't be an "option" it should be a requirement that they are kept by an entity other than the government. Actuarial data stripped of personal information is necessary, but not the information gathered to produce the data.
 
Damocles said:
And my position is that only choice number 3 on page 11 should be available at all. There should be no government record available to any government entity of your medical records, they should not be kept in government databases anywhere, including state level. Option 1 is right out, option 2 less evil but still evil, option 3 the only option that should exist and it should be heavily limited for government access in every level. The government should have zero access to your health data without due cause and a warrant. I like the idea of a centralization, this proposal only begins that process (incremental steps).. I just don't believe that there is any reason to trust the government with that, and it shouldn't be an "option" it should be a requirement that they are kept by an entity other than the government. Actuarial data stripped of personal information is necessary, but not the information gathered to produce the data.
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So you are paranoid?
 
apple0154 said:
Can someone detail why governments shouldn't have access to medical records?
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Wow. Really?

Let's imagine what the government of Germany could do with DNA records if they existed in 1938...

You want the same government that used a simple list of people counted, specifically stated by legislation to be illegal to use it this way, to cage and imprison Japanese Americans to have a list of your medical history? You want the IRS to have the power to access your health records and punish you if you don't follow the new health code written "next year"? You want the same people who can't keep even the most secret stuff secret (leaks posted on the interwebs) to be in charge of the privacy of your records?

And that's stuff just off the tip of my fingers.

No way, no reason, no benevolence is benevolent enough to ensure that such information would not be misused.
 
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