Obama's house campaign speech: strawmen and hubris

If you closed your eyes while listening it easily could have been 2009. Besides the dollar amount what was the big difference, if any, between 2009's stimulus and today's job proposal? (honest question, not rhetorical)

Edit: I do like the idea of lowering the corporate tax and eliminating loopholes as he mentioned.
 
cawacko said:
If you closed your eyes while listening it easily could have been 2009. Besides the dollar amount what was the big difference, if any, between 2009's stimulus and today's job proposal? (honest question, not rhetorical)
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Nothing really, but more stimulus was needed from the get-go anyway; this is just a belated attempt to do it.

If you're going to go w/ the philosophy & economics behind the stimulus, you have to go all in....
 
cawacko said:
If you closed your eyes while listening it easily could have been 2009. Besides the dollar amount what was the big difference, if any, between 2009's stimulus and today's job proposal? (honest question, not rhetorical)

Edit: I do like the idea of lowering the corporate tax and eliminating loopholes as he mentioned.
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pretty much a repeat. btw, who is out there claiming we don't need schools and highways? he threw around numerous strawmen in attempt to jerk people's emotions. further, if this is so important, why did he wait so long?
 
Schadenfreude said:
it was designed to fire up the dem base and screw any repugs that vote against it...:)

he is also back to his more fiery and confrontational self :awesome:
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fair enough. but i don't consider that effective. i consider that campaign empty hat stuff.

if his speech was so important. --> why did he wait so long to give the speech?
 
Schadenfreude said:
your problem is that it was an effective speech...for the dems and there will be no help for the repugs that vote against it
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The problem is the dems are not the ones he needs to impress. The dems will blithely follow their Savior right off any cliff he happens to pick, like the good little lemmings they are.

And if you think voting against another big spending bill under the heading of stimulus will harm republicans, guess again. Not only will those on the right celebrate standing up to more deficit spending, but those right of center, and even some of those left of center are more likely to accept the need to cut spending over voting for yet more deficit spending. We are watching countries across the world tightening their belts in a big way. Austerity is the government budget word of the year, and while few in America are hoping for austerity, I would wager far more are in favor of reducing the deficit as opposed to adding yet more to it.
 
Good Luck said:
The problem is the dems are not the ones he needs to impress. The dems will blithely follow their Savior right off any cliff he happens to pick, like the good little lemmings they are.

And if you think voting against another big spending bill under the heading of stimulus will harm republicans, guess again. Not only will those on the right celebrate standing up to more deficit spending, but those right of center, and even some of those left of center are more likely to accept the need to cut spending over voting for yet more deficit spending. We are watching countries across the world tightening their belts in a big way. Austerity is the government budget word of the year, and while few in America are hoping for austerity, I would wager far more are in favor of reducing the deficit as opposed to adding yet more to it.
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did you look at my reply to yurt?

if you think that obama's poll numbers are bad, you should see congress's, especially the repugs

also, there was another poll where about 75% polled said that jobs were their highest priority while the other answer available was the deficit which came in distant second (per cnn)
 
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