Why is Rick Perry in the lead?

[Jarod]

What is it about arrogant social conservatives without any record of success in business that makes Conservatives support them more than say even tempored Northeasterners with moderate social views, conservative economic views who have a great record of success in business?

 

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What is it about arrogant social conservatives without any record of success in business that makes Conservatives support them more than say even tempored Northeasterners with moderate social views, conservative economic views who have a great record of success in business?

What is it about liberals that made them elect a President with no record of success in ANYTHING, business or otherwise?

 

[Onceler]

What is it about liberals that made them elect a President with no record of success in ANYTHING, business or otherwise?

You guys elected Bush for 2 terms.

So - you already used your mulligan. Twice.

 

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You guys elected Bush for 2 terms.

So - you already used your mulligan. Twice.

Congrats.... you elected a President that is twice as bad as Bush... so you don't get a mulligan

 

[Onceler]

Congrats.... you elected a President that is twice as bad as Bush... so you don't get a mulligan

Um, no. Until Obama starts a friggin' unnecessary 7-year war & deceives the American people as to the reason for it, and leads this economy to the biggest crash in decades, he's not even close to as bad as Bush.

And, btw, we're not through his 1st term yet - I think most historians will wait for the full term or 2 before rendering a judgment as extreme as yours....

 

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Um, no. Until Obama starts a friggin' unnecessary 7-year war & deceives the American people as to the reason for it, and leads this economy to the biggest crash in decades, he's not even close to as bad as Bush.

And, btw, we're not through his 1st term yet - I think most historians will wait for the full term or 2 before rendering a judgment as extreme as yours....

The point you twit is that I was responding originally to Jarods idiocy in the OP. You then came in with your stupid fucking hackery with 'u voted Bush blah blah blah'.....

That said, Obama is every bit as bad as Bush thus far (you see that is all we have to go at this point). He continued the majority of Bush's practices, he and his Dem Congress led us to massive deficits with minimal positive benefits. His is one of the lease transparent admin's in history. He passed a monstrosity of a health care bill. He passed a 'financial reform bill' that does NOTHING to resolve the issues that led to the crisis. He has done NOTHING to resolve the unemployment situation except run around the country saying 'Republicans are bad, umkay?'. He has shown time and again that he is either unwilling or incapable of LEADING. No budgets passed since he took office, two of those years he had supermajority support in Congress. HE and the Dem leaders in Congress put us in this debt ceiling debacle. He is pathetic.... AT BEST.

 

[Onceler]

The point you twit is that I was responding originally to Jarods idiocy in the OP. You then came in with your stupid fucking hackery with 'u voted Bush blah blah blah'.....

That said, Obama is every bit as bad as Bush thus far (you see that is all we have to go at this point). He continued the majority of Bush's practices, he and his Dem Congress led us to massive deficits with minimal positive benefits. His is one of the lease transparent admin's in history. He passed a monstrosity of a health care bill. He passed a 'financial reform bill' that does NOTHING to resolve the issues that led to the crisis. He has done NOTHING to resolve the unemployment situation except run around the country saying 'Republicans are bad, umkay?'. He has shown time and again that he is either unwilling or incapable of LEADING. No budgets passed since he took office, two of those years he had supermajority support in Congress. HE and the Dem leaders in Congress put us in this debt ceiling debacle. He is pathetic.... AT BEST.

Isn't that 1st line a bit ironic, seeing as you came in on a Perry thread with "you voted for Obama, blah, blah, blah?"

Since Obama has been President, we have gone from a state of recession to a state of growth; we have gone from losing hundreds of thousands of jobs every month to gaining jobs; the stimulus turned the market around, and arguably kept unemployment from climbing into the double-digits; we have pulled the vast majority of troops out of Iraq. No doubt, things could be much, much better on every front. But it's inane to say he's been as "bad as Bush." In case you need a reminder, Bush CREATED these problems. Obama has not been as effective as he could be in FIXING these problems, but things have improved on every front since Bush was Prez.

It was a big, big mess you idiots gave us by electing that flunkie for 2 terms.

 

[evince]

It shows that the republican tea party base prefer a male candidate.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I wouldn't read to much into that. Perry will have the votes with southernors and hillbilly's but Romney has significant advantages with the business and professional class and with folks in the NE, Midwest and West. Perry is just getting started in his campaign. As the public becomes more aware of his anti-intellectua, anti-science, anti-education and pro-succession rhetoric he'll fall like a meteor. Romney is still the man to beat. Nominating any of the current GOP contendors, other than Romney, will only ensure 4 more years for Obama.

 

[cawacko]

Isn't that 1st line a bit ironic, seeing as you came in on a Perry thread with "you voted for Obama, blah, blah, blah?"

Since Obama has been President, we have gone from a state of recession to a state of growth; we have gone from losing hundreds of thousands of jobs every month to gaining jobs; the stimulus turned the market around, and arguably kept unemployment from climbing into the double-digits; we have pulled the vast majority of troops out of Iraq. No doubt, things could be much, much better on every front. But it's inane to say he's been as "bad as Bush." In case you need a reminder, Bush CREATED these problems. Obama has not been as effective as he could be in FIXING these problems, but things have improved on every front since Bush was Prez.

It was a big, big mess you idiots gave us by electing that flunkie for 2 terms.

I'm curious how Bush "created" these problems. This is not a defense of Bush post for his many failings. It is a post with a question of did the world start Jan 20, 2001? Did Bush sign the removal of Glass-Steagal? Did Bush create the push to get more Americans to buy homes which was the genesis for the policies that led to the housing bubble? ((Bush definitely pushed for more (minority) home ownership but did he create the push?)) Did Bush tell Greenspan to keep interest at the lows Greenspan did to compensate for the dot-com bust and 9/11?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

It shows that the republican tea party base prefer a male candidate.

They do. Unfortunately there are vast numbers of white working class males who have been passed by in our modern economy. The tradtional male working class and middle class carreers in construction and manufacturing are dissappearing and far to many males do not have the educational skills to learn and compete in todays data and technology driven economy. Because of this, these guys are MAD and are trying desperately to cling to the past. Anything that smacks of modern progress is going to alienate many of these guys being left behind by this modern economy. So that's why a retrograde character like Perry is going to appeal to them.

 

[cawacko]

It shows that the republican tea party base prefer a male candidate.

Hey it's Desh with a drive-by posting! What female should be currently leading the Republican primary? Wasn't Sarah Palin a 'leader' in the Tea Party movement? Wasn't Michelle Bachmann a Tea Party favorite?

 

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Isn't that 1st line a bit ironic, seeing as you came in on a Perry thread with "you voted for Obama, blah, blah, blah?"

Except his point was regarding Perry's lack of BUSINESS experience, which was IRONIC given he voted for someone with NO experience.

Since Obama has been President, we have gone from a state of recession to a state of growth;

Dead cat bounces are typical after a significant downturn. So the initial pop was good, but had nothing to do with Obama. His policies once in place have cause growth to stagnate and become anemic at best. With long term projections looking abysmal.

we have gone from losing hundreds of thousands of jobs every month to gaining jobs;

We have gone from 8% unemployment to a consistent 9% unemployment with NO plan to get us back under.

the stimulus turned the market around, and arguably kept unemployment from climbing into the double-digits;

The stimulus did indeed stop the bleeding. No question. But it was poorly implemented and we got little bang for the buck out of it. Unemployment did creep up over 10%, despite the expectations of Obama to keep it under 8%. I give him the benefit of the doubt on that expectation because he obviously has no clue when it comes to economics so he was likely just parroting what he was told to say.

we have pulled the vast majority of troops out of Iraq.[.quote]

Thanks to the surge that Obama and most Democrats said would fail. Not because of ANYTHING Obama did. Trying to give him credit for that which was already under way is quite sad.

No doubt, things could be much, much better on every front. But it's inane to say he's been as "bad as Bush."

No, it is quite reasonable to say he is not only as bad as Bush.... but worse. Like him or not, Bush actually would LEAD (granted not the best leader we have seen or even remotely close to average). Obama is thus far a complete failure on that front. Which is why he is suffering so much in the polls right now. No one has confidence in his ability to lead.

In case you need a reminder, Bush CREATED these problems.

Actually, it was CLINTON who repealed Glass Steagall. Not Bush. It was DEMS in charge of Congress when the deficit drastically expanded. Bush has a lot of responsibility as he was President at the time, but to state he created the problems is absurd (with the exception of Iraq of course).

Obama has not been as effective as he could be in FIXING these problems, but things have improved on every front since Bush was Prez.

1) Unemployment is worse
2) The financial system is in the same mess it was
3) The repaid TARP money has disappeared
4) Glass Steagall is not back in place, which means the exact same problem can once again occur
5) The 'too big to fail banks' got bigger
6) Gitmo still open
7) Expanded war in Afghanistan
8) health care costs still rising dramatically, with the health care bill likely to add to those rising costs
9) NO economic plan
10) NO budget in his entire time in office

It was a big, big mess you idiots gave us by electing that flunkie for 2 terms.

LMAO... tell me genius.... other than Iraq... which policies of Bush's led to this mess. Then look at Clinton's policies and lets compare.

Then do tell us what the Dem led Congress did to try and fix the problem. They took control in 2007. What did they do?

 

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It shows that the republican tea party base prefer a male candidate.

Do show us the last Dem female Presidential nominee...

Clinton lost in the primary to a man. She is the ONLY female to have stood for the Dems in the Presidential primaries.

So do tell us now about how the Dems prefer a male candidate...

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I'm curious how Bush "created" these problems. This is not a defense of Bush post for his many failings. It is a post with a question of did the world start Jan 20, 2001? Did Bush sign the removal of Glass-Steagal? Did Bush create the push to get more Americans to buy homes which was the genesis for the policies that led to the housing bubble? ((Bush definitely pushed for more (minority) home ownership but did he create the push?)) Did Bush tell Greenspan to keep interest at the lows Greenspan did to compensate for the dot-com bust and 9/11?

Was Bush asleep at the wheel as the car fell apart? Hell yes. Did Bush implement an ideological deregulatory environment that permitted abuses to escalate until shit blew up in his face? Fuck yea he did. Did he lie this nation into an unneccessary, immoral war that not only distracted the efforts on the fight against terrorism and Al Quaeda that contributed substantially to our economic woes? Guilty as charged.

You're in an untenable position if you're trying to be an apologist for Bush. He mistakes and blunders doom him to history's dust bin as a failed President. Has Obama set the world on fire pulling us out of the Bush mess? No, I don't think he has but Oncie has right, he's made steady positive progress since he took office and considering how bad things could have been. Oncies criticisms of W are spot on and Obama is a looooooooong fucking way from being viewed by history in the same failed light as W.

 

[cawacko]

Was Bush asleep at the wheel as the car fell apart? Hell yes. Did Bush implement an ideological deregulatory environment that permitted abuses to escalate until shit blew up in his face? Fuck yea he did. Did he lie this nation into an unneccessary, immoral war that not only distracted the efforts on the fight against terrorism and Al Quaeda that contributed substantially to our economic woes? Guilty as charged.

You're in an untenable position if you're trying to be an apologist for Bush. He mistakes and blunders doom him to history's dust bin as a failed President. Has Obama set the world on fire pulling us out of the Bush mess? No, I don't think he has but Oncie has right, he's made steady positive progress since he took office and considering how bad things could have been. Oncies criticisms of W are spot on and Obama is a looooooooong fucking way from being viewed by history in the same failed light as W.

Maybe you care to reread my second sentence. Notice Onceler said CREATED. Definition of created: to cause to exist; to bring into being Explain to me how he CREATED the problems caused by the removal of Glass-Steagal or is your argument that legislation wouldn't have been a problem if were not for Bush? Please tell me how he created the push for more Americans to own their own homes. Please tell me how he created the dot-com bust and 9/11 which Greenspan reacted to with low interest rates. CREATED being the key word here.

 

[Bonestorm]

Shorter SF:

Obama's a failure because he didn't clean up the mess left by Clinton.

 

[Onceler]

Shorter SF:

Obama's a failure because he didn't clean up the mess left by Clinton.

Perfect.

To SF & Cawacko- Bush was an ABSENTEE PRESIDENT. He couldn't wait to start a war, as evidenced by his comments to a ghost writer in the '90's and his declaration that "I'm a War President!" after 9/11. He was bored silly with domestic policy, and had NO ECONOMIC POLICY WHATSOEVER. That last part cannot be stated emphatically enough. He never met a spending bill he didn't like, and forced us into an UNNECESSARY war that not only drained our resources and cost trillions, but took all of his focus - yes, all, because it's all he cared about after invading. Beyond all of that, the President is the steward of the economy, like it or not - if you're gonna blame Carter for economic failings during 4 short years, how do you all of a sudden blame Congress & Clinton, when Bush had warning signs - especially on the housing bubble - for almost a full 8 years?

I'm sick of the apologism. Bush wouldn't have gotten near any public office if not for his name. I knew the guy would be an absolute disaster from the 1st debate with Gore on, and was stunned that so many thought he was legit. I have said many times that we'll be able to trace the beginning of our downfall as a superpower to his tenure, and we will.

 

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Was Bush asleep at the wheel as the car fell apart? Hell yes.

Agreed. As were Pelosi and Reid.

Did Bush implement an ideological deregulatory environment that permitted abuses to escalate until shit blew up in his face? Fuck yea he did.

Do tell us.... what deregulation did Bush pass that you are referring to? Let me guess... time for you to run away now that a question has been asked?

Did he lie this nation into an unneccessary, immoral war that not only distracted the efforts on the fight against terrorism and Al Quaeda that contributed substantially to our economic woes? Guilty as charged.

LMAO the standard bullshit from the left. Show us how the war contributed 'substantially' to our economic woes. Keep in mind you need to show us the amount of money spent that went to the defense sector here in the US that created jobs etc... vs. the amount that went over seas.

To be clear, Iraq was poorly timed and poorly run for the first 4 years or so. But the health care fiasco of Obama will add FAR more to our national debt problem than the Iraq war did.

You're in an untenable position if you're trying to be an apologist for Bush.

Quit apologizing for Obama. No one was apologizing for Bush you fucking hack. he asked WHAT policies Oncelor was referring to.... a point you too ignore in your 'I hate Bush mantra'

He mistakes and blunders doom him to history's dust bin as a failed President. Has Obama set the world on fire pulling us out of the Bush mess? No, I don't think he has but Oncie has right, he's made steady positive progress since he took office and considering how bad things could have been. Oncies criticisms of W are spot on and Obama is a looooooooong fucking way from being viewed by history in the same failed light as W.

1) Unemployment is worse
2) The financial system is in the same mess it was
3) The repaid TARP money has disappeared
4) Glass Steagall is not back in place, which means the exact same problem can once again occur
5) The 'too big to fail banks' got bigger
6) Gitmo still open
7) Expanded war in Afghanistan
8) health care costs still rising dramatically, with the health care bill likely to add to those rising costs
9) NO economic plan
10) NO budget in his entire time in office

 

[cawacko]

Perfect.

To SF & Cawacko- Bush was an ABSENTEE PRESIDENT. He couldn't wait to start a war, as evidenced by his comments to a ghost writer in the '90's and his declaration that "I'm a War President!" after 9/11. He was bored silly with domestic policy, and had NO ECONOMIC POLICY WHATSOEVER. That last part cannot be stated emphatically enough. He never met a spending bill he didn't like, and forced us into an UNNECESSARY war that not only drained our resources and cost trillions, but took all of his focus - yes, all, because it's all he cared about after invading. Beyond all of that, the President is the steward of the economy, like it or not - if you're gonna blame Carter for economic failings during 4 short years, how do you all of a sudden blame Congress & Clinton, when Bush had warning signs - especially on the housing bubble - for almost a full 8 years?

I'm sick of the apologism. Bush wouldn't have gotten near any public office if not for his name. I knew the guy would be an absolute disaster from the 1st debate with Gore on, and was stunned that so many thought he was legit. I have said many times that we'll be able to trace the beginning of our downfall as a superpower to his tenure, and we will.

Not apologizing for him dude. There is a difference between creating a problem than receiving a situation and fucking it up more.