Why is Rick Perry in the lead?

Jarod said:
What is it about arrogant social conservatives without any record of success in business that makes Conservatives support them more than say even tempored Northeasterners with moderate social views, conservative economic views who have a great record of success in business?
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It's simple...the right LOVES authoritarians. Perry has already threatened to harm the Fed chief, has the worst environmental record of any Governor and executed more human beings than any Governor in history. He has even executed the mentally disabled.

You'll never guess who is number 2...

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While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
 
Onceler said:
Perfect.

To SF & Cawacko- Bush was an ABSENTEE PRESIDENT. He couldn't wait to start a war, as evidenced by his comments to a ghost writer in the '90's and his declaration that "I'm a War President!" after 9/11. He was bored silly with domestic policy, and had NO ECONOMIC POLICY WHATSOEVER. That last part cannot be stated emphatically enough. He never met a spending bill he didn't like, and forced us into an UNNECESSARY war that not only drained our resources and cost trillions, but took all of his focus - yes, all, because it's all he cared about after invading. Beyond all of that, the President is the steward of the economy, like it or not - if you're gonna blame Carter for economic failings during 4 short years, how do you all of a sudden blame Congress & Clinton, when Bush had warning signs - especially on the housing bubble - for almost a full 8 years?

I'm sick of the apologism. Bush wouldn't have gotten near any public office if not for his name. I knew the guy would be an absolute disaster from the 1st debate with Gore on, and was stunned that so many thought he was legit. I have said many times that we'll be able to trace the beginning of our downfall as a superpower to his tenure, and we will.
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There were signs that the housing market was overheated but if that was the national feeling don't you think more than just Jon Paulson and a few others would have made more money on the crash? Wall St has no ideology other than money. The banks wouldn't have been leveraged long 30x on housing if they felt it was going to crash. Greenspan would have raised rates if he felt it was going to crash.
 
Onceler said:
I'm sick of the apologism. .
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Then quit apologizing for Obama. He is a failure thus far. He has not made steady progress as you and the lemming Mott have stated.

You are right about Bush in terms of economics. He was more like the drunken liberals when it came to spending. Especially the spending sent to him by the DEM led Congress. Bush was a failure.... you keep pretending we haven't said that and instead continue to accuse us of 'apologizing' for Bush. But in YOUR apologies for Obama you feel the need to project your defense of his inept leadership and try to equate it to others 'defending Bush'.

When someone asks you to clarify HOW Bush 'created' the economic mess.... you run around screaming 'Bush apologist'. How about you just try and answer the fucking question? Bush did not create it. Bush did nothing to make it better and in many cases made it worse... but the point is the economic crisis was not something ginned up by Bush as you Obama apologists keep stating. It was something that both parties did in their vain effort to champion 'more home ownership than ever before'. In that, we can look back to Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush..... and we can look currently at Obama and ask.... What have you done to prevent it from occurring again?.... the answer to which is NOTHING.... the same NOTHING Bush did.
 
cawacko said:
There were signs that the housing market was overheated but if that was the national feeling don't you think more than just Jon Paulson and a few others would have made more money on the crash? Wall St has no ideology other than money. The banks wouldn't have been leveraged long 30x on housing if they felt it was going to crash. Greenspan would have raised rates if he felt it was going to crash.
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I disagree. It was clearly a bubble, that was out of control, and everyone knew it would pop eventually. If you do some searches, you can definitely find discussions regarding that on this board, from 6-7 years ago.

Bush did not pay attention to domestic policy; he didn't care about it.
 
Onceler said:
Um, no. Until Obama starts a friggin' unnecessary 7-year war & deceives the American people as to the reason for it, and leads this economy to the biggest crash in decades, he's not even close to as bad as Bush.
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has Obama, or has he not, not only continued every bush policy since taking office, but also strengthened the laws and enforcement behind every single one of those policies?
 
Onceler said:
I disagree. It was clearly a bubble, that was out of control, and everyone knew it would pop eventually. If you do some searches, you can definitely find discussions regarding that on this board, from 6-7 years ago.

Bush did not pay attention to domestic policy; he didn't care about it.
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If this board knew about it how did Wall St, Greenspan and the people with money not know about it?
 
Onceler said:
I disagree. It was clearly a bubble, that was out of control, and everyone knew it would pop eventually. If you do some searches, you can definitely find discussions regarding that on this board, from 6-7 years ago.

Bush did not pay attention to domestic policy; he didn't care about it.
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Clearly Obama doesn't pay attention to it either.

But all is well from Martha's Vineyard.
 
Onceler said:
I disagree. It was clearly a bubble, that was out of control, and everyone knew it would pop eventually. If you do some searches, you can definitely find discussions regarding that on this board, from 6-7 years ago.

Bush did not pay attention to domestic policy; he didn't care about it.
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Really, is that why Barney was telling us all was well? Is that why the Dem led Congress did NOTHING to prevent the bubble from bursting when they took over Congress in 2007?
 
Superfreak said:
Really, is that why Barney was telling us all was well? Is that why the Dem led Congress did NOTHING to prevent the bubble from bursting when they took over Congress in 2007?
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Hilarious. I actually was going to mention in my previous post that of course, Barney Frank had more power than the President of the United States, and is as accountable, but bravo wasn't around, so I thought no idiot would actually try to shift blame to him.
 
Bfgrn said:
It's simple...the right LOVES authoritarians. Perry has already threatened to harm the Fed chief, has the worst environmental record of any Governor and executed more human beings than any Governor in history. He has even executed the mentally disabled.

You'll never guess who is number 2...

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While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
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Just curious, but in your world.... do governors write the laws of their states? Do they sit on the juries and determine the guilt/innocence? Do they sit on the bench and determine sentencing?
 
Onceler said:
Hilarious. I actually was going to mention in my previous post that of course, Barney Frank had more power than the President of the United States, and is as accountable, but bravo wasn't around, so I thought no idiot would actually try to shift blame to him.
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Again moron.... I am not shifting blame away from Bush.... how many fucking times do I have to say he sucked, he was one of the worst Presidents of the past 100 years etc.... before you get off that schtick?

The point was YOU stated 'it was clear'..... yet NO ONE in DC did anything. NO ONE.
 
Superfreak said:
Again moron.... I am not shifting blame away from Bush.... how many fucking times do I have to say he sucked, he was one of the worst Presidents of the past 100 years etc.... before you get off that schtick?

The point was YOU stated 'it was clear'..... yet NO ONE in DC did anything. NO ONE.
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Was it clear or not about 5-6 years ago that there was "irrational exuberance" in the housing market, and that it was creating a bubble that would eventually burst?
 
Onceler said:
Was it clear or not about 5-6 years ago that there was "irrational exuberance" in the housing market, and that it was creating a bubble that would eventually burst?
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It didn't have to burst, but yes, housing prices were escalating too fast. But they just as easily could have stagnated. The housing market in and of itself isn't what caused the meltdown. It was the allowance of big banks to increase leverage to insane levels, the fear mongering by the two parties that 'everything is blowing up', it was the removal of the uptick rule and most importantly the removal of Glass Steagall that led to all of this.

When the it DID become a crisis, the two parties immediately went into swiping at each other (similar to what we just witnessed with the debt ceiling debacle) rather than leading us to a resolution. Bottom line, we get it... you hate Bush. You want to deflect all blame onto him. He was a bad President so I can understand that. But he did not CREATE this problem. He was not alone in failed leadership out of DC when the crisis began. He was President and the blame does stop at his desk. But it is absurd to say he started it.

But here we are today. 2.5 years into Obama's reign.... and you are still blaming Bush for the inept manner in which Obama is 'leading'. Once the economy began recovering and GDP growth went up.... was it Bush that made it go back down and stagnate? Does that inept President have some sort of super secret power that he still holds over DC?
 
Onceler said:
Was it clear or not about 5-6 years ago that there was "irrational exuberance" in the housing market, and that it was creating a bubble that would eventually burst?
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were there hearings held in the House about the problem and were Republicans called racists for bringing it up?.....
 
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