WI collective bargaining changes.... already showing positive signs...
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WinterBorn
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Why can't you simply discuss the issue without the personal rancor? Is it really necessary? Or can you show a little maturity and cease the personal name calling ect?
The teachers in WI are right about the middle of the national teacher salary scale. Obviously the cost of their insurance was about to make a BIG jump, and now it is not. Does that not speak volumes about what was happening?
And where does WI education rank nationally?
christiefan915
Catalyst
As if the R's aren't fucking the country as we speak.
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WinterBorn
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Funny, the link you gave in post #11 ranked the salary at 28th. Right about the middle.
Pick one and stick with it.
liberal math: how does it work?
Here's an example:
How to hide an increase by calling it a decrease
Suppose a program has historically enjoyed annual increases to its operation budget of 5%
During a cutback, the budget INCREASE is cut to 4.5% for a savings of 10% of the annual INCREASE in the budget
Liberal math says you can call this a 10% cut in funding
always examine what liberals tell you.
Always examine what republicans tell you.
Trust, but verify
Here's an example:
How to hide an increase by calling it a decrease
Suppose a program has historically enjoyed annual increases to its operation budget of 5%
During a cutback, the budget INCREASE is cut to 4.5% for a savings of 10% of the annual INCREASE in the budget
Liberal math says you can call this a 10% cut in funding
always examine what liberals tell you.
Always examine what republicans tell you.
Trust, but verify
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WinterBorn
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No it does not. 19 states list the average teacher pay as higher than the salary average prior to the recent drop. Their current average salary puts WI smack in the middle for average teacher's salaries.
http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state (btw, this is the site YOU USED in a previous post)
Bfgrn
New member
I will make an agreement with you, stop BEING an ass and I will stop calling you one. You right wingers have a Pavlov dog reflex response to cut the legs off of hard working Americans and give the aristocrats a pass.
There is NOTHING happening that is malfeasance or ripping off the taxpayers. If you had the adult curiosity to LOOK INTO WEA Trust instead of parroting every fucking thing the right wing echo chamber TELLS you to think, you'd find out the WEA Trust is a MODEL of what a health care provider should be. Matter of fact, if every American could get insurance from WEA Trust, there would be no health care crisis.
The WEA Trust is a not-for-profit health insurance organization that has the lowest administrative ratio of any Wisconsin insurer. The WEA Trust returns 94% of every premium dollar to members in benefits.
Allegation: Trust insurance is selected through a “no-bid” process.
Both the employer and the union can demand to bargain over changes every two-year bargaining cycle. If WEAC members could obtain comparable coverage for less money, they would readily change plans, especially under the QEO bargaining law, which converts insurance savings into salary increases. They keep Trust plans because they are the best value. WEAC also believes that insurance plans are best determined through local collective bargaining. Rigid state-imposed plans typically lack the flexibility to address local needs and problems.
WEA Trust: Not Your Typical Insurance Company
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WinterBorn
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YOu and I have different beliefs on responsibility and fiscal items. YOu claim to be open minded, but anyone who disagrees with you is an ass.
If the previous agreement was so great, why did the recent change result in WEA saying they could NOW match the lowest bid, but before they were going to have a substantial rate increase?
Also, if you consider that most teachers have excellent insurance and benefits packages, the lower salary isn't as low as it seems.
Bfgrn
New member
You are right. The
Bfgrn
New member
SO...you have a problem with people being successful and creating an excellent insurance plan for themselves that offers MORE benefits for LESS money? FIRST of all, now we have to BELIEVE your right wing hit piece that I have already poked holes in. But you just carry on with what YOU decide as fact. But even if we go with your right wing hit piece as truth, DO THE MATH. The ONLY way they can get lower cost is through LOWER benefits.
But to a non adult brain...health insurance is health insurance is health insurance. No value judgment possible in the right wing parrot mind.
Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.
How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages – as pensions when they retire – rather than take immediately in cash. The same is true with the health care plan. If this were not so a serious crime would be taking place, the gift of public funds rather than payment for services.
Thus, state workers are not being asked to simply "contribute more" to Wisconsin' s retirement system (or as the argument goes, "pay their fair share" of retirement costs as do employees in Wisconsin' s private sector who still have pensions and health insurance). They are being asked to accept a cut in their salaries so that the state of Wisconsin can use the money to fill the hole left by tax cuts and reduced audits of corporations in Wisconsin.
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The Almighty
Hey Bfgrn... how big of you to expect middle class tax payers to pay for their own health care AND that of the public workers.
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The Almighty
Become a Teacher in Kaukauna
Teaching in Kaukauna Area
TeacherPortal Salary Rank: 28th
Starting Salary: $25,222
Average Salary: $46,390
District Financials
Median Family Income in 2000: $53,051
Such a dishonest hack.....
Tell us genius.... why did you post the average salary for a teacher (which is ONE person) and then compare it to Median FAMILY income (which is typically dual income)???
Tell us genius.... how many hours/days per year do the teachers there work vs. the 'median family'?
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
What a childish outburst. How typical to react on emotion instead of using facts or logic like an adult.
Bfgrn
New member
You really are a piece of human excrement, a TURD with ears. You right wing scum are attacking honest hard working American people. There is NO malfeasance here you little asshole. Do you FEEL teachers have the same hours as students pea brain? REALLY? Are you a fucking adult? When do they compose their lesson plans, grade papers and take care of other classroom business...in their SLEEP you fucking TURD brain.
Collective bargaining has been going on for over 50 years in Wisconsin. You TURDS want to claim union and teacher malfeasance...THERE IS NONE.
Here is the result of those 50 years of what YOU call malfeasance.
Wisconsin’s state and local employees earn 4.8% less per hour in total compensation than their peers in the private sector. That number jumps to 25% for college-educated employees. EPI found that, on average, Wisconsin’s public employees with a bachelor’s degree earn $61,668 in total compensation; their peers working for private employers earn $82,134 in wages and benefits.
The union created a MODEL health insurance trust. They built it to MAXIMIZE health care coverage and MINIMIZE taxpayer's costs. They should be applauded not condemned.
If you hired me to do ANYTHING and and I returned 94 cents of every dollar you gave me, HOW in the fucking world could I be ripping you off you little TURD?
Shut up idiot.
Who gives a crap? The bottom line is that in a time when a bag of groceries costs a C-note, these who are responsible for the future of the country have to take a pay cut.
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The Almighty
Wow... someone has his panties in a bunch.
1) No one is attacking the workers.... we are suggesting PROTECTING the workers.... you seem to think that the only people working are the ones at unions. That is your first mistake.
2) No one is saying compare the hours of teachers to those of students. No one. I asked you how many hours they worked PER YEAR vs. those 'median families'
Do show us where someone said there was TEACHER malfeasance. Otherwise, you should keep your straw men to a minimum.
AGAIN... why did WEA go from a large increase in premiums (when there was NO competition) to 'meeting the lowest bid' when there WAS competition?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Who cares? The average isn't representative. The median household income in WI in 2009 was $49,994. So instead of making $3,000 less then the median income they are now making $6,000 less then the median.
You know...I would think that what their doing in Wisconsin would be very fair if they also capped what lawyers can charge for their services at $10/hour. Teach the lawyers work ethic. Keep them off the taxpayers tit too. OH...and elected officials like Walker. Wouldn't it be great if we capped their salaries at the median income for the State and passed a lay making it unlawful for the Governor or the Legislature to give themselves pay raises with out a mandate from the people? Hey that would reign in costs and what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
so, anyone earning $43,141 or less is a real loser?........does that include the 9% unemployed?......
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I care.....if the people paying the taxes have had job losses and pay cuts and cuts to benefits, the people who are living off their taxes have to expect job losses and pay cuts and cuts to benefits.......it's the way life works.....
{by the way, it's been pointed out twice already that the median household income number includes a significant number of two income households).........