Weiner: Yeah, it was my wiener!

Bfgrn said:
He lied about his personal life. It has nothing to do with his public life, or his oath to protect and defend the Constitution. You would put a 'fidelity' clause in that oath, which strongly resembles a religious clause, because what he did was not a crime. It could be called a sin.

Where the fuck are all the faux libertarians on this issue. Should the man's private life be his or the states?
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Your attempts to connect this to a religious clause is bullshit. We are not calling it a sin. We are saying he was asked a direct question (several times) and he lied.

You want to believe that he would lie about his personal life, yet he is an upstanding, honest politician?? I call bullshit on that too.

No one is saying it is a crime. No one is saying he should be fined or jailed. I am saying if he lies to the public, he loses his job as an elected official. Trust is the most important factor.
 
the connection is this
indescretions even criminal ones are ok for republicans, dems better not even look like the dorks they are.
 
WinterBorn said:
Your attempts to connect this to a religious clause is bullshit. We are not calling it a sin. We are saying he was asked a direct question (several times) and he lied.

You want to believe that he would lie about his personal life, yet he is an upstanding, honest politician?? I call bullshit on that too.

No one is saying it is a crime. No one is saying he should be fined or jailed. I am saying if he lies to the public, he loses his job as an elected official. Trust is the most important factor.
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OK, like I proved to you, Republicans LIED numerous times about the Affordable Healthcare Act. And they lied as a strategy. They should step down
 
Bfgrn said:
OK, like I proved to you, Republicans LIED numerous times about the Affordable Healthcare Act. And they lied as a strategy. They should step down
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And, as I have said before, if someone lied to the public then they should be gone. If republicans lied then fire them. If dems lied then fire them.

This is not about which party you favor (or worship).

We have two basic choices:

#1 - Allow lying to continue to be what we expect, and our elected officials will continue to lie to us.

#2 - Start firing the elected officials who lie to us, and eventually they will stop lying to us.

Pick one.
 
WinterBorn said:
How can honesty not be a relevant issue for all elected officials?
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Because no one has the right to question others about their sexual proclivities unless there was harm done such as rape, etc.

Using the example I previously noted if a guy's friends ask him if he bedded "tiffany", the bar maid, during last night's date would he be considered a liar if he responded "No"? If he replied "Yes" or declined to answer it may very well result in sullying "tiffany's" reputation.
 
Topspin said:
bo ho a politician lied
wow news flash, Congress if full of snake oil salesman
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News flash, it only exists because we allow it. If they are dishonest, fire their worthless asses. If their replacement lies, fire them too. Eventually they will catch on.

Accepting liar in DC is not the way to fix the problem.
 
as long as we only attack the other side it's a ginourmously weak attack.
This ass clown will likely not get reelected, I say let his voters do the talking.

Prostitute using regular Vitter was loved up and reelected as were other criminals.

This isn't even a misdemeanor, fucking hillariously stupid and embarassing. America needs comedians like Wiener.
 
WinterBorn said:
What I can't understand is why you find one acceptable and one unacceptable. What I can't understand is why you think lying to us, by any elected official, is acceptable.

This defense of "someone else lied too and it was worse" should not excuse anything. Should courtroom defenses for murder be "But your honor, someone else murdered MORE people"?
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The difference is one is a personal matter that does not involve the general population and the question shouldn't have been asked in the first place.

Suppose a married politician contracted a STD and a medical receptionist saw his chart and told a tabloid. Is the politician obliged to tell the public he was treated for a STD?
 
apple0154 said:
Because no one has the right to question others about their sexual proclivities unless there was harm done such as rape, etc.

Using the example I previously noted if a guy's friends ask him if he bedded "tiffany", the bar maid, during last night's date would he be considered a liar if he responded "No"? If he replied "Yes" or declined to answer it may very well result in sullying "tiffany's" reputation.
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If he refuses to answer the question, or states that his private life is his own business (provided no laws were broken) I have no problem with it.

A "reputation" is what people think of her. If she is sleeping with a married politician, then what the people think would be accurate.


But if a politician is asked a question, and he answers, he should tell the truth or be gone.
 
apple0154 said:
The difference is one is a personal matter that does not involve the general population and the question shouldn't have been asked in the first place.

Suppose a married politician contracted a STD and a medical receptionist saw his chart and told a tabloid. Is the politician obliged to tell the public he was treated for a STD?
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If the politician cited that something is private, then I have no problem. But without honesty our system is doomed to fail.
 
WinterBorn said:
And, as I have said before, if someone lied to the public then they should be gone. If republicans lied then fire them. If dems lied then fire them.

This is not about which party you favor (or worship).

We have two basic choices:

#1 - Allow lying to continue to be what we expect, and our elected officials will continue to lie to us.

#2 - Start firing the elected officials who lie to us, and eventually they will stop lying to us.

Pick one.
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Right wing social engineering. If you punish, they will come.

Have you ever lied? If you have, will you resign from your job?

You most definitely want to add a 'fidelity' clause...your words speak louder than your protests.

#70
I am sure he made some sort of wedding vows. Perhaps he avoided that or had his fingers crossed, but it still shows a willingness to violate an oath.


#58
His actions showed he is willing to break sacred oaths, lie to the public, and is only sorry that he got caught.

That is certainly relevant to his job, in which he swore an oath, is expected (naive of us, yes) to tell us the truth, and should be honest in his dealings.


#156
If you want to ignore the fact that he broke his vows, which is basically the same as breaking a sworn oath, how do you get passed the lying to us?


#122
He swore to be faithful to his wife, just as he swore to protect and defend the Constitution. You are trying to say its ok to break one oath but wrong that we assume if he would break one he would break another?
 
Bfgrn said:
Right wing social engineering. If you punish, they will come.

Have you ever lied? If you have, will you resign from your job?

You most definitely want to add a 'fidelity' clause...your words speak louder than your protests.

#70
I am sure he made some sort of wedding vows. Perhaps he avoided that or had his fingers crossed, but it still shows a willingness to violate an oath.


#58
His actions showed he is willing to break sacred oaths, lie to the public, and is only sorry that he got caught.

That is certainly relevant to his job, in which he swore an oath, is expected (naive of us, yes) to tell us the truth, and should be honest in his dealings.


#156
If you want to ignore the fact that he broke his vows, which is basically the same as breaking a sworn oath, how do you get passed the lying to us?


#122
He swore to be faithful to his wife, just as he swore to protect and defend the Constitution. You are trying to say its ok to break one oath but wrong that we assume if he would break one he would break another?
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I expect my elected officials to be truthful and honest. Do you think we should accept less??

If I lie to my buddies about a fishing trip, no I shouldn't lose my job. If I lie to my employer, I should be fired. Do you think its ok to lie to your employer??
 
apple0154 said:
What kind of person would deny the 911 responders, those who were stricken by illness while in the line of duty, medical care? Perhaps the question should be who would vote for the people denying care?

Who should resign: a man sending pictures of himself in his underwear or a man voting to deny medical care to the suffering and dying responders?

It's a strange world, indeed!
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Funny, that is the same bullshit spin some on the left used with Clinton. Clinton was impeached because he LIED under oath... not because he got a blow job. Weiner is getting nailed because he LIED... not because he texted pictures of himself (unless it turns out some recipients were under age).
 
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