christiefan915
Catalyst
However, you are objecting to a remark that explains why pacifism does not always apply. Basically, you quoted my post that was explaining why pacifism cannot always apply, said to a person who has said it is the only thing that can morally apply, and tried to tell me that because my example was "centuries apart" that it was somehow less valid. The example was of a true barbarian. Do you think Ghandi would have stood a chance against a less civilized opponent than Britain was at that point? What if they were just expanding when Ghandi tried his stance? Would we even know his name?
We really don't know if there was some Ghandi standing there that was run through the first day of the British empires first steps into India, because if there was they simply died that day.
Anyway, you're basically saying the same thing I am, just pretending you aren't. At some point, force is a valid and moral response. All people, nations, groups, et al, have a right to defend their right to exist.
No, what I'm saying is that I object to the scorn you and others have heaped on pacifists, as shown in these comments:
"You won't change him. He's a pacifist. It's all good, it takes all kinds.Those who volunteered and died knew that people like wanderingbear exist and did it in part so that people like wanderingbear can remain secure in their philosophy without regard to the harsh reality they had to face. They stand between wanderingbear and reality, and he takes full advantage. Bless his peaceful soul."
"if someone brings violence to you in order to deny you your rights, what will you do?
He will rail against the men who protect him and call them murderers."
"And you think someone hasn't done that to me? I will do what Ive always done. Walk away.
would you walk away if a family member, spouse, etc....is being raped right in front of you and you could stop it with force?"
"Of course not.But I dont need to be violent myself to stop them.
what are you going to do? say stop please?"
you do know what rape is....right? they are using force (read violence) to rape your family member, and your proposal is to "stand in their way".....
"Pacifism is the easy route, for it requires that you simply do nothing."
"I want to know how Mr. High and Mighty Pacifist is going to stop someone who is raping his wife or daughter."
You and I aren't saying the same thing, because while I'm not objecting to the use of force in dire circumstances, I'm not making fun of pacifism either.