Bfgrn
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I am not the one declaring victories, YOU ARE. It shows your insecurity, which is a classic right wing trait. Matter of fact, it is what makes you a right winger...it is not a philosophy, it is fear driven victim-hood.
Cars Without Borders: Does “Made in America” Really Matter Anymore?
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I am not the one declaring victories, YOU ARE. It shows your insecurity, which is a classic right wing trait. Matter of fact, it is what makes you a right winger...it is not a philosophy, it is fear driven victim-hood.
Bfgrn
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OK, let's put an end to all your obfuscation. Would you have given GM and Chrysler loans or would you have let them collapse?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Except for a two-year stint with a Chevy Trailblazer I've only owned Fords. The Chevy sucked gas, sounded and rode exactly like my Dad's '75 Cadillac.
My first Ford lasted me 185k northeast miles. My wife was driving home one day and spun it in freezing rain on the highway, ended up in the left lane against the rail facing ongoing traffic. She sat and watched a Toyota, then a Honda, then a Datsun all hit her and each other. All had to be towed off except her- the engine never stopped. She drove it home and I used a sledge hammer on a fender so I could open up the hood. There was no major damage and a new alignment got it running again. After 40 years they are still using that chassis in what is now the Crown Vic- a testament to good design.
By the way that car had an engine built in Windsor Canada. Except for one valve job and replaced cover/ pan gaskets, it was good on gas, didn't leak oil and sounded as smooth as a turbine when I sold it.
Every newer model Ford I've ever had was better than the one previously. My newest acquisition, an 05 Mustang with nearly 100k miles on it, has an engine made in Cologne, Germany. The transmission was built in either in Tennessee, Canada or Mexico.
Would I buy a "foreign" car? Probably not, even though they may have more parts in them made here.
My first Ford lasted me 185k northeast miles. My wife was driving home one day and spun it in freezing rain on the highway, ended up in the left lane against the rail facing ongoing traffic. She sat and watched a Toyota, then a Honda, then a Datsun all hit her and each other. All had to be towed off except her- the engine never stopped. She drove it home and I used a sledge hammer on a fender so I could open up the hood. There was no major damage and a new alignment got it running again. After 40 years they are still using that chassis in what is now the Crown Vic- a testament to good design.
By the way that car had an engine built in Windsor Canada. Except for one valve job and replaced cover/ pan gaskets, it was good on gas, didn't leak oil and sounded as smooth as a turbine when I sold it.
Every newer model Ford I've ever had was better than the one previously. My newest acquisition, an 05 Mustang with nearly 100k miles on it, has an engine made in Cologne, Germany. The transmission was built in either in Tennessee, Canada or Mexico.
Would I buy a "foreign" car? Probably not, even though they may have more parts in them made here.
Billy the Great Khan
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Bfgrn
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Nice picture...problem is, I am a liberal, not a conservative. Communism is conservative.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
:lol:
Billy the Great Khan
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cawacko
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I'll admit curiousity as to how you came to that conclusion.
Billy the Great Khan
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He made it up. Does it quite often actually.
Bfgrn
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How do you come to the conclusion communism is liberal? Is it your parochial indoctrination that frames the whole world in American terms? Describe a conservative in Russia, would he extol the virtues of a free market system?
Billy the Great Khan
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Rationalist
Hail Voltaire
Just because communism is conservative in Russia does not make it conservative in the USA. Furthermore, Russian communism certainly wasn't conservative in 1917. The Tsarists were the conservatives. The point is, the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are contextual.
Rationalist
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Bfgrn basically lumps any ideology he doesn't like onto the conservative side.
Bfgrn
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You come the closest. What we saw manifest in Russia is that conservatives took over government, with the same tragic results we witnessed in America. The failure of the Bolshevik revolution is the sister of the failure of the Reagan revolution. Conservatives always create some form of an aristocracy.
Much of it is a misunderstanding of terms.
Socialism is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Democracy is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the government works. "Democracy," said Marx, "is the road to socialism." He was wrong about how economics and politics interact, but he did see their similar underpinnings.
Communism is conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just the Party Secretary) have any say in how the economy works. Republicans are conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just people controlling the Party figurehead) have any say in how the government works. The conservatives in the US are in the same position as the communists in the 30s, and for the same reason: Their revolutions failed spectacularly but they refuse to admit what went wrong.
A common mistake is to confuse Socialism, the economic system, with Communism, the political system. Communists are "socialist" in the same way that Republicans are "compassionate conservatives". That is, they give lip service to ideals they have no intention of practicing.
Communism, or "scientific socialism", has very little to do with Marx. Communism was originally envisioned by Marx and Engels as the last stages of their socialist revolution. "The meaning of the word communism shifted after 1917, when Vladimir Lenin and his Bolshevik Party seized power in Russia. The Bolsheviks changed their name to the Communist Party and installed a repressive, single-party regime devoted to the implementation of socialist policies." (quote from Encarta.). Those socialist policies were never implemented. ref.
cawacko
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Communism is the opposite of liberal in the true definition of the term liberal, not how you use it. In the real world who was it that were the most ardent anti-communists? It was conservatives. Who was most upset when Reagan called Russia/communism the 'Evil Empire'?
Ayn Rand escaped from Russia when she was young. Now she is neither liberal nor conservative by todays standards but who is her work most associated with? Republicans and conservatives.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Well I tend to agree but that's rather extreme scenerio. I'll stick to my comment in that I see nothing wrong with patriotism being PART of the buying decision.
Bfgrn
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The history of mankind is on my side. But don't let that sway your dogma.
Liberal bashing was rampant in Europe in the 1920's...it led to the removal of liberal governments and led to fascism. Fortunately in America we were blessed with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a liberal who save America from the same fate.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I'd rather send the fucking money to the god damned Japanese bankers after what those no account greedy homegrown bastards just did to our Country. I know...let's commit an act of war on Japan and send them all or our Wall Street Banker and see if they can wreck their country more then the tsunammi did.
Bfgrn
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Nice try...but your parochial indoctrination is your downfall...try again.
Bfgrn
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Paranoia does not signify ideology, it signifies an illness.