A little perspective in the budget bullshit.

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WinterBorn said:
We are spending billions of dollars wastefully, and you want to let that go and raise taxes? Other than your standard cash cow chant of "tax the rich" surely you know the people will not stand for it.

Before you sent the gov't to dig deeper into my pockets, have them stop wasting money paying farmers not to plant, subsidizing bullshit, and slap a few holes in that boated leech that is the DoD budget.
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You are not listening to what I said. I guess your bruised feeling prevented you from reading what I said.
 
Bfgrn said:
You are not listening to what I said. I guess your bruised feeling prevented you from reading what I said.
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Your answer to the issue is to raise taxes. It was all you said in that post. No, my feelings are not effected by posts here. But when a post starts with insults and baseless accusations, I see no reason to read the rest. As I said, if you would like to have a civil discourse, state your case without trying to tell me what I believe or what I have done/not done.

As I recall, you threw a hissy fit when you thought I told you what you believed. Does my phrase "Hypocrisy thy name is Bfoon" make more sense now?
 
WinterBorn said:
Thank you for seeing that, Leaning.

Its funny to me that I am labelled a right wing neocon for demanding fiscal responsibility. At the same time I am labeled a libtard for suggesting that gays are not despicable perverts.

I guess that being disliked by the rabid extremes of each side is a badge I wear with pride.
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Yea, you can just dismiss it as being wronged. But you are the same WB who tried to dismiss unethical practices by insurance cartels merely as patients having unrealistic expectations.

“If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands.”
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the non college educated liberal like bf who struggles just to stick to the left talking points doesn't pay taxes, why would they have a problem raising them on a class they don't aspire to but despise.
 
WinterBorn said:
Your answer to the issue is to raise taxes. It was all you said in that post. No, my feelings are not effected by posts here. But when a post starts with insults and baseless accusations, I see no reason to read the rest. As I said, if you would like to have a civil discourse, state your case without trying to tell me what I believe or what I have done/not done.

As I recall, you threw a hissy fit when you thought I told you what you believed. Does my phrase "Hypocrisy thy name is Bfoon" make more sense now?
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You said you stopped reading after your feelings were bruised. Go back to that post.
 
Bfgrn said:
Yea, you can just dismiss it as being wronged. But you are the same WB who tried to dismiss unethical practices by insurance cartels merely as patients having unrealistic expectations.

“If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands.”
Douglas Adams
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No, I did not dismiss unethical behavior by the insurance companies. I did not dismiss the unethical behavior in one single post. I did call you on your singling out the insurance comnpany while ignoring the same acts by the hospital and surgeons. I did argue with the use of the term "death panels" as something insurance companies alone have. And I did argue against your apparent belief that once an insurance contract had been signed, the company should spend any amount necessary to prolong the life of a patient for whatever length of time.

But no, I did not dismiss the unethical behavior by the insurance company. But speaking of ethical behavior, where would you put your lying about my stance on a certain topic? Would that be ethical or unethical?
 
WinterBorn said:
We are spending billions of dollars wastefully, and you want to let that go and raise taxes? Other than your standard cash cow chant of "tax the rich" surely you know the people will not stand for it.

Before you sent the gov't to dig deeper into my pockets, have them stop wasting money paying farmers not to plant, subsidizing bullshit, and slap a few holes in that boated leech that is the DoD budget.
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You really are an obtuse ASS. You constantly tell me what my position is using stereotyping.
 
Bfgrn said:
You said you stopped reading after your feelings were bruised. Go back to that post.
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Did I explain why I didn't read it? I think I have a very valid reason for not continuing. And since you have thrown hissy fits when you just THOUGHT you were being told what you think, you apparently agree with me.

And those same reasons stand considering the same bullshit is in the same place.
 
Bfgrn said:
You really are an obtuse ASS. You constantly tell me what my position is using stereotyping.
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Because I have seen you post advocating taxing the rich. It is not stereotyping if I repeat what you have said.
 
WinterBorn said:
No, I did not dismiss unethical behavior by the insurance companies. I did not dismiss the unethical behavior in one single post. I did call you on your singling out the insurance comnpany while ignoring the same acts by the hospital and surgeons. I did argue with the use of the term "death panels" as something insurance companies alone have. And I did argue against your apparent belief that once an insurance contract had been signed, the company should spend any amount necessary to prolong the life of a patient for whatever length of time.

But no, I did not dismiss the unethical behavior by the insurance company. But speaking of ethical behavior, where would you put your lying about my stance on a certain topic? Would that be ethical or unethical?
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The truth is not unethical. Your spin is. You did not want to accept the fact Wall Street investors are forcing insurance companies to deny expensive patient claims solely because it has a negative effect on the bottom line. The patient's health and well being are NOT in the equation. It cannot get any more unethical than that. But do you call for any changes? NO...you prefer to use obfuscation.
 
WinterBorn said:
Did I explain why I didn't read it? I think I have a very valid reason for not continuing. And since you have thrown hissy fits when you just THOUGHT you were being told what you think, you apparently agree with me.

And those same reasons stand considering the same bullshit is in the same place.
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Then I guess your feeling are much too bruised to continue...

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Bfgrn said:
The truth is not unethical. Your spin is. You did not want to accept the fact Wall Street investors are forcing insurance companies to deny expensive patient claims solely because it has a negative effect on the bottom line. The patient's health and well being are NOT in the equation. It cannot get any more unethical than that. But do you call for any changes? NO...you prefer to use obfuscation.
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You made the claim that the insurance companies were putting money above human life. The hospital did the exact same thing and yet you continually defended them. It was that hypocrisy that I attacked. I did not claim that the insurance companies were ethical and I did not dismiss unethical behavior. I would love to have you show me where I did.

And yet you still have no answer for why it is unethical for the insurance company to put money over life, but it is not unethical for the hospital and surgeon to do the exact same thing.
 
Rana said:
It is why we should raise revenue!
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maybe you haven't been paying attention over the last 25 years, but congress hasn't learned how to cut spending if they can easily raise taxes. It just doesn't work for them. So tell me how raising taxes is going to get them to cut spending?
 
bf being the Obama nutscuker that he is and a moron, runs with the evil insurance bs. I bet that tool buys health insurance.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
maybe you haven't been paying attention over the last 25 years, but congress hasn't learned how to cut spending if they can easily raise taxes. It just doesn't work for them. So tell me how raising taxes is going to get them to cut spending?
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In fact has Congress ever cut spending outside a few dollars this week?
 
WinterBorn said:
You made the claim that the insurance companies were putting money above human life. The hospital did the exact same thing and yet you continually defended them. It was that hypocrisy that I attacked. I did not claim that the insurance companies were ethical and I did not dismiss unethical behavior. I would love to have you show me where I did.

And yet you still have no answer for why it is unethical for the insurance company to put money over life, but it is not unethical for the hospital and surgeon to do the exact same thing.
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And I pointed out the fact that no one pre-pays a hospital or doctor for possible future medical treatment. They DO pre-pay insurance companies for THAT VERY reason. What role would insurance companies even play in patient care, if they were not offering a service for that pre-payment?...the answer...NONE. Insurance companies don't perform operations, provide emergency rooms and life saving equipment, nurses to see to your care or ANY medical function. Their role is clearly defined.
 
Bfgrn said:
And I pointed out the fact that no one pre-pays a hospital or doctor for possible future medical treatment. They DO pre-pay insurance companies for THAT VERY reason. What role would insurance companies even play in patient care, if they were not offering a service for that pre-payment?...the answer...NONE. Insurance companies don't perform operations, provide emergency rooms and life saving equipment, nurses to see to your care or ANY medical function. Their role is clearly defined.
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You repeatedly stated "they put money above life". The paragraph you typed above does not change the fact that the hospital and the surgeons put money above life.

If it is unethical for one it is unethical for the other. I think it is despicable of BOTH. You want to hang the insurance company and dismiss the unethical behavior of the hospitals.

Hypocrisy thy name if Bfoon.
 
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