We already do. There is no shortage of teenagers in public school who do not know about practicing safe sex and how to obtain free birth control.
Indiana GOP Rep Thinks Women Will Fake Rape Or Incest To Get An Abortion
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We already do. There is no shortage of teenagers in public school who do not know about practicing safe sex and how to obtain free birth control.
Bfgrn
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A pre-viable fetus cannot live outside the mother's womb even if every doctor on the planet were there to treat it. A legal abortion can be done during that gestation period. If you REALLY care about preventing abortions, you should be a huge supporter of Planned Parenthood.
apple0154
MEOW
And what do you think many parent's response would be if they found a condom in their 16 year old daughter's purse?
1.
I'm so proud of you! You're growing into a mature, responsible woman. OR
2.
You're never going to see that #%$& John boy again! I'm phoning his mother!! You're not leaving this house!! I'm ......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
lol.....
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
And what do you think many parent's response would be if they found a condom in their 16 year old daughter's purse?
1.
OR
2.
My son's birth mother was 16.......when my daughter, also adopted, was a high school freshman she talked one of her friends into telling her parents instead of getting an abortion......I think both those 16 year olds were mature and responsible.....
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Bfgrn
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Ignorance is not an excuse, or a laughing matter...educate yourself.
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Planned Parenthood services help prevent more than 612,000 unintended pregnancies each year.
Planned Parenthood provides nearly one million Pap tests and more than 830,000 breast exams each year, critical services in detecting cancer.
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Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services.
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And what do you think many parent's response would be if they found a condom in their 16 year old daughter's purse?
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OR
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It hardly matters what a parents response would be-the question was about educating youngsters. What was in question was what teenagers know about safe sex and pregnancy and that birth control is available-it is.
Things Planned Parenthood's 'Truth Team' Forgot to Mention
By Susan E. Wills
article here
Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) has dispatched a "Truth Team" to rally opposition to the Pence Amendment (H.R. 1, sec. 4013), a measure to stop federal funding of PPFA and its 102 affiliates. But not everything said by PPFA officials and sympathetic media has been the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
In the interest of an informed debate about taxpayer funding of PPFA, a few omissions and potentially misleading statements are addressed below.
Claim: "This is about women's health more than abortion" (Cecile Richards, PPFA President)
This was quoted by Jonathan Alter in a March 14 opinion piece posted on Bloomberg Opinion. But Congress already spends billions every year for women's health care, through Medicaid, Medicare and other programs. Defunding PPFA is about no longer coercing taxpayers to contribute to the nation's largest abortion chain.
In its last reported fiscal year (2008-2009), PPFA clinics aborted 332,278 children, a number equal to the entire population of Cincinnati. Since 1970, PPFA has aborted an estimated 5,300,000 children, equivalent to the entire population of Colorado.
In an interview published March 17 in the Texas Tribune, Ms. Richards spoke at length about all the healthcare PPFA provides: "We see 3 million patients each year across the country. For 97 percent of them, we provide preventive care. Three percent are abortions."
Yet according to PPFA's own March 2011 Planned Parenthood Services fact sheet, 332,278 abortions were performed on some of PPFA's three million clients in the year ending June 30, 2009. This suggests that eleven percent of their clients had abortions in that year, not three percent. But the best measure of how important abortions are to PPFA's bottom line is the fact that abortions produce at least 37 percent of PPFA revenues "by very conservative estimates."[1]
PPFA has also expanded these lucrative abortion services, adding surgical or "medical" (RU-486) abortion to the services offered at an additional 75 clinics between 2005 and 2009. In that period, PPFA's total annual abortions grew 25 percent,[2] while other services declined. For example, prenatal care clients numbered 7,021 in the most recent year (down 60 percent in the last five years),[3] and adoption referrals to other agencies numbered only 977, compared to 4,912 in 2007, (see page 7) a remarkable 80% drop in adoption referrals in only two years.
Due to this increase in abortions and decrease in prenatal care and adoption services, 97.6 percent of PPFA "services" for pregnant women in 2009 involved killing their children, and only 2.4 percent involved prenatal care or adoption referral.
Abby Johnson, former director of the Planned Parenthood clinic in Bryan, Texas and author of the new book Unplanned, confirms the key role abortion plays in Planned Parenthood's services. She quotes her regional director as telling her to increase abortions at her clinic in order to "get her revenue up."[4] Only affiliate clinics that provided abortions were profitable. The director reminded Abby that "non-profit" is just "a tax status, not a business status."[5] Sure enough, when the Bryan clinic began offering RU-486 abortions every day, profits rose.
Ms. Johnson's account was borne out in December 2010, when news media reported on a PPFA directive that all affiliates should begin offering abortion services within the next two years.
Claim: Without funding for PPFA, women will lack access to mammograms, primary health care, and other necessary services
In truth, Planned Parenthood clinics provide no mammograms. They offer only referrals to health centers, doctors, hospitals and labs for mammograms. PPFA breast exams are done by manual palpation, similar to a breast self-exam. But as a National Institutes of Health MedlinePlus fact sheet states: "There is no evidence that doing breast self exams saves lives from breast cancer." For that, mammography is needed.
As for primary health care services, PPFA clinics performed fewer than 20,000 such services in its last reporting year, an insignificant part of the total of 11.4 million services nationwide. Through state and federal Medicaid programs, low-income women already have access to contraception, as well as needed health care services-including testing and treatment for sexually-transmitted diseases (STDs), Pap tests for cervical cancer, and mammograms-at countless hospitals, doctors' offices, and over 1,000 federally-funded community health centers.
Claim: "Planned Parenthood cannot survive without federal funds"
So states Jonathan Alter. Really? PPFA has almost one billion dollars in net assets ($994,700,000), and in its most recent filing reported $737 million in revenues for the year, not counting the $363 million from taxpayers (see page 29). Any untaxed corporation should be able to scrape by on $737 million in revenues.
Claim: "Without funding, PPFA won't be able to provide contraceptive services that prevent more than 612,000 unintended pregnancies every year"
Mr. Alter and many others repeat the "pregnancies averted" figure[6] to justify funding PPFA. This claim remains one of the more imaginative "statistics" devised by abortion advocates. Equally creative is the claim that widespread access to emergency contraception (EC) would cut abortions by half, when a definitive meta-analysis of 23 studies in 2007 showed that EC has had "null" effect on abortion rates.[7]
The "pregnancies averted" figure depends on two assumptions, neither of which has been demonstrated empirically: first, that contraceptive use reduces abortion rates overall; second, that young people are inherently "unable" to control their sexual behavior, and will therefore engage in sex to the same extent whether or not they have access to contraception.
Reality: Access to contraception does NOT reduce abortion rates
Anyone who finds that statement shocking has not been paying attention. A study published earlier this year found that a 63 percent increase in the use of contraceptives in Spain over a ten-year period was accompanied by a 108 percent increase in the rate of elective abortions.[8] This counter-intuitive reality has also been documented in peer-reviewed journals in the U.S. and Western Europe. Studies by Peter Arcidiacono in the U.S., K. Edgardh in Sweden, and David Paton and Sourafel Girma as well as M. Wiggins et al. in the U.K., are reviewed in a USCCB fact sheet "Greater Access to Contraception Does Not Reduce Abortions."
Planned Parenthood leaders have known for a half century that when access to contraception increases, abortion rates can rise or, at least, remain unchanged.[9] The correlation between contraceptive use and recourse to abortion was noted in a 1932 article in the British Medical Journal, by a PPFA doctor in 1936, in a study done by the Margaret Sanger Clinical Research Bureau in 1940 (finding 41 percent of pregnancies of contracepting women terminated in illegal abortion, while only 3.5 percent of the pregnancies of non-contracepting women did), and by Malcolm Potts, MD, then medical director of International Planned Parenthood Federation in 1981.[10]
By Susan E. Wills
article here
Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) has dispatched a "Truth Team" to rally opposition to the Pence Amendment (H.R. 1, sec. 4013), a measure to stop federal funding of PPFA and its 102 affiliates. But not everything said by PPFA officials and sympathetic media has been the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
In the interest of an informed debate about taxpayer funding of PPFA, a few omissions and potentially misleading statements are addressed below.
Claim: "This is about women's health more than abortion" (Cecile Richards, PPFA President)
This was quoted by Jonathan Alter in a March 14 opinion piece posted on Bloomberg Opinion. But Congress already spends billions every year for women's health care, through Medicaid, Medicare and other programs. Defunding PPFA is about no longer coercing taxpayers to contribute to the nation's largest abortion chain.
In its last reported fiscal year (2008-2009), PPFA clinics aborted 332,278 children, a number equal to the entire population of Cincinnati. Since 1970, PPFA has aborted an estimated 5,300,000 children, equivalent to the entire population of Colorado.
In an interview published March 17 in the Texas Tribune, Ms. Richards spoke at length about all the healthcare PPFA provides: "We see 3 million patients each year across the country. For 97 percent of them, we provide preventive care. Three percent are abortions."
Yet according to PPFA's own March 2011 Planned Parenthood Services fact sheet, 332,278 abortions were performed on some of PPFA's three million clients in the year ending June 30, 2009. This suggests that eleven percent of their clients had abortions in that year, not three percent. But the best measure of how important abortions are to PPFA's bottom line is the fact that abortions produce at least 37 percent of PPFA revenues "by very conservative estimates."[1]
PPFA has also expanded these lucrative abortion services, adding surgical or "medical" (RU-486) abortion to the services offered at an additional 75 clinics between 2005 and 2009. In that period, PPFA's total annual abortions grew 25 percent,[2] while other services declined. For example, prenatal care clients numbered 7,021 in the most recent year (down 60 percent in the last five years),[3] and adoption referrals to other agencies numbered only 977, compared to 4,912 in 2007, (see page 7) a remarkable 80% drop in adoption referrals in only two years.
Due to this increase in abortions and decrease in prenatal care and adoption services, 97.6 percent of PPFA "services" for pregnant women in 2009 involved killing their children, and only 2.4 percent involved prenatal care or adoption referral.
Abby Johnson, former director of the Planned Parenthood clinic in Bryan, Texas and author of the new book Unplanned, confirms the key role abortion plays in Planned Parenthood's services. She quotes her regional director as telling her to increase abortions at her clinic in order to "get her revenue up."[4] Only affiliate clinics that provided abortions were profitable. The director reminded Abby that "non-profit" is just "a tax status, not a business status."[5] Sure enough, when the Bryan clinic began offering RU-486 abortions every day, profits rose.
Ms. Johnson's account was borne out in December 2010, when news media reported on a PPFA directive that all affiliates should begin offering abortion services within the next two years.
Claim: Without funding for PPFA, women will lack access to mammograms, primary health care, and other necessary services
In truth, Planned Parenthood clinics provide no mammograms. They offer only referrals to health centers, doctors, hospitals and labs for mammograms. PPFA breast exams are done by manual palpation, similar to a breast self-exam. But as a National Institutes of Health MedlinePlus fact sheet states: "There is no evidence that doing breast self exams saves lives from breast cancer." For that, mammography is needed.
As for primary health care services, PPFA clinics performed fewer than 20,000 such services in its last reporting year, an insignificant part of the total of 11.4 million services nationwide. Through state and federal Medicaid programs, low-income women already have access to contraception, as well as needed health care services-including testing and treatment for sexually-transmitted diseases (STDs), Pap tests for cervical cancer, and mammograms-at countless hospitals, doctors' offices, and over 1,000 federally-funded community health centers.
Claim: "Planned Parenthood cannot survive without federal funds"
So states Jonathan Alter. Really? PPFA has almost one billion dollars in net assets ($994,700,000), and in its most recent filing reported $737 million in revenues for the year, not counting the $363 million from taxpayers (see page 29). Any untaxed corporation should be able to scrape by on $737 million in revenues.
Claim: "Without funding, PPFA won't be able to provide contraceptive services that prevent more than 612,000 unintended pregnancies every year"
Mr. Alter and many others repeat the "pregnancies averted" figure[6] to justify funding PPFA. This claim remains one of the more imaginative "statistics" devised by abortion advocates. Equally creative is the claim that widespread access to emergency contraception (EC) would cut abortions by half, when a definitive meta-analysis of 23 studies in 2007 showed that EC has had "null" effect on abortion rates.[7]
The "pregnancies averted" figure depends on two assumptions, neither of which has been demonstrated empirically: first, that contraceptive use reduces abortion rates overall; second, that young people are inherently "unable" to control their sexual behavior, and will therefore engage in sex to the same extent whether or not they have access to contraception.
Reality: Access to contraception does NOT reduce abortion rates
Anyone who finds that statement shocking has not been paying attention. A study published earlier this year found that a 63 percent increase in the use of contraceptives in Spain over a ten-year period was accompanied by a 108 percent increase in the rate of elective abortions.[8] This counter-intuitive reality has also been documented in peer-reviewed journals in the U.S. and Western Europe. Studies by Peter Arcidiacono in the U.S., K. Edgardh in Sweden, and David Paton and Sourafel Girma as well as M. Wiggins et al. in the U.K., are reviewed in a USCCB fact sheet "Greater Access to Contraception Does Not Reduce Abortions."
Planned Parenthood leaders have known for a half century that when access to contraception increases, abortion rates can rise or, at least, remain unchanged.[9] The correlation between contraceptive use and recourse to abortion was noted in a 1932 article in the British Medical Journal, by a PPFA doctor in 1936, in a study done by the Margaret Sanger Clinical Research Bureau in 1940 (finding 41 percent of pregnancies of contracepting women terminated in illegal abortion, while only 3.5 percent of the pregnancies of non-contracepting women did), and by Malcolm Potts, MD, then medical director of International Planned Parenthood Federation in 1981.[10]
Bfgrn
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Planned Parenthood does much good for women and their health. But you right wing fanatics can only find evil. The evil resides in YOU.
One that confounds good and evil is an enemy to good.
Edmund Burke
In other words ignore facts and go for the personal attacks...
Bfgrn
New member
FACTS? You mean fabrications from right wing fanatic Susan E. Wills or REAL facts?
Family planning saves money and reduces abortions
Publicly funded family planning services save $4 for every dollar spent, says a report released Tuesday by the Guttmacher Institute.
Public funds also prevent nearly 2 million unintended pregnancies and they prevent more than 800,000 abortions every year. Federal funding for family planning money has been in the news lately because an expansion of the program was included in an early version of the federal stimulus bill. After House Republican Leader Rep. John Boehner made a fuss over the issue, President Barack Obama pressured House Democrats to drop the provision.
But the Guttmacher study reinforces Democrats’ claims that increasing public funding for family planning would be a cost-cutting measure. Because most women who receive publicly funded family-planning services would also be eligible to have Medicaid pay for their births, preventing unintended births saves taxpayers a significant amount of money.
About half of U.S. pregnancies are unintended but 40 percent of poor women can’t afford birth control.
As FOX News acknowledged recently:
A 2007 study by the Congressional Budget Office found sizable federal savings if states were free to give contraceptives to poor women. The report found that post-pregnancy family planning did nothing to reduce the cost of Medicaid-funded births. But preventing pregnancies by providing contraceptives, the study found, would save the federal government an estimated $200 million over five years.
Facts on Publicly Funded Contraceptive Services in the United States
Yeah, family planning services, not abortions...the ones that are already covered by medicare and medicaid. The article had links to support its FACTS- that you cannot deal in facts has been demonstrated. PP makes hundreds millions of dollars off its abortion mills-certainly it can let go of the 300 million it takes from the government. Or it could separate the two entities. Planned Parenthood Abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood Family Planning and Preventative care clinics -open its books for audits to make sure funding is kept separate.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
on the other hand, what they do to children really sucks....
Bfgrn
New member
You are really not concerned about preventing abortions. THAT is clear. It is truly sad how people like you become damaged. You have been raise to believe the very worst in mankind. No organization is perfect, but Planned Parenthood is an overwhelmingly GOOD entity. Yet you would choose to destroy the good.
No, what it is, is that you are determined to make sure women can kill their children. It IS the very worst in mankind when said mankind can kill 1 million unborn children a year for the convenience of someone- and defend their actions based on some subjective ideas of who they are. Planned Parenthood earns a profit from killing children inside their mother's womb. If they want to provide screenings and birth control they ought to be required to separate the two entities if they are to continue receiving federal funds...
zappasguitar
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Well, I've found one factual error in the article ID cut-n-pasted.
The article claims that "In an interview published March 17 in the Texas Tribune, Ms. Richards spoke at length about all the healthcare PPFA provides: "We see 3 million patients each year across the country. For 97 percent of them, we provide preventive care. Three percent are abortions."
Yet according to PPFA's own March 2011 Planned Parenthood Services fact sheet, 332,278 abortions were performed on some of PPFA's three million clients in the year ending June 30, 2009. This suggests that eleven percent of their clients had abortions in that year, not three percent. But the best measure of how important abortions are to PPFA's bottom line is the fact that abortions produce at least 37 percent of PPFA revenues "by very conservative estimates."[1]"
So PP only sees 3,000,000 patients a year? What happens to the 3,000,001ST patient to try and received services?
Sure the numbers come out the way ID posted, IF PP ONLY SAW 3,000,000 patients a year, but as the March 2011 Planned Parenthood Services fact sheet they like to quote points out, PPFA provided services to MORE THAN 11 MILLION PATIENTS IN 09.
So PP did in fact provide roughly only 3% of their patients with an abortion.
apple0154
MEOW
Of course it matters what a parent's response would be. What is the point of trying to teach teens to use contraceptives when they will be punished if found with condoms? Most teens do not plan sex. If they're lucky enough to get some alone time it may happen. What teen is going to risk getting caught with condoms when the odds are sex won't be happening?
That's why it needs to be out in the open. Ads and billboards getting the message across to parents that a teen carrying a condom is a good thing, not something a teen is punished for.
How many teens would wear seat belts if their parents told them they would be punished if they were caught wearing one?
I am the parent of teens Apple you are just wrong about what teens planned or don't plan-what they have and don't have access to. Sex education is prevalent and clear- Birth control is available and free. Some parents might react adversely to finding birth control amongst their kids stuff some do not. The issue is why do kids who know so much and have free birth control still act irresponsible? I say because throwing birth control at them just further ingrains in them the attitude of irresponsibility by encouraging underage sex-cuz hey, if you do get pregnant, you can just get an abortion. There is little education about waiting for the candy until you are capable of paying for the dentist.
CONTRACEPTIVE USE
• Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use.[8]
• Forty-six percent of women who have abortions had not used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. Of these women, 33% had perceived themselves to be at low risk for pregnancy, 32% had had concerns about contraceptive methods, 26% had had unexpected sex and 1% had been forced to have sex.[8]
• Eight percent of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated.[8]
• About half of unintended pregnancies occur among the 11% of women who are at risk for unintended pregnancy but are not using contraceptives. Most of these women have practiced contraception in the past.[1,9]
apple0154
MEOW
"26% had had unexpected sex."
I imagine none had a condom with them and that's where ADS/posters enter the picture. Stores that sell condoms could have posters visible when waiting in line at the cash.
"Did you remember condoms?" OR "Is tonight going to be the night?" OR "Meeing that special person later?"
Just targeting that group would make a huge difference.
Yes, Apple, but it neither indicated if they had access to contraception or what their age was, only that they acted irresponsible. The point of course is that the key ingredient to unintended pregnancy is irresponsibility; again pointing to the number one reason women have abortions is due to convenience. Targeting a group of women who are too selfish to be responsible, yet choose instead to take the time to have an abortion, seems a bit fruitless...but target away as I am all for preventing abortions.