Thats how it's done!
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that is pretty much was obama said....he said the action was legal/ok, not because of congress, but because the UN said so....makes we wonder how little respect obama has for this country
Billy the Great Khan
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3 differences Jarod. Name em.
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he said the moral authority for this war came, not from congress or the constitution, but because the UN, AL wanted it.....
Billy the Great Khan
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It's actually for legal cover. As a lawyer you should know that.
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why did rtbar delete his post of obama's speech? and his other posts? legion does that all the time....now another one
Billy the Great Khan
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Who cares? A useless poster, who has stalker like posts, deleted all their stuff.
Three differences, EASY!
1) a broad coalition.
2) limited troop involvement.
3) limited clearly attainable goal.
4) request from the people of Lybia for action.
5) Arab league request for the action
6) involvement of Arab nations.
7) no ground troops.
8) 4500 American Heros not dead in Lybia
Oops, that's 8, well I could go on all day!
Oops that's 7, I could go on all day.
1) a broad coalition.
2) limited troop involvement.
3) limited clearly attainable goal.
4) request from the people of Lybia for action.
5) Arab league request for the action
6) involvement of Arab nations.
7) no ground troops.
8) 4500 American Heros not dead in Lybia
Oops, that's 8, well I could go on all day!
Oops that's 7, I could go on all day.
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because i wanted to read more of the speech....
this is from yahoo:
how is that not considered preemptive action?
Billy the Great Khan
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Well in the sense that our actions didn't preempt the killing of civilians/rebels to begin with...
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1. we had a broad coalition
2. ok, whoopee
3. what limited goal and what is so clearly attainable? btw...we clearly attained our goal of regime change in iraq in a few weeks.
4. we also had request from people in iraq.
5. whoooppeee
6. we had assistance from other arab nations...come on jarod
7. ok, you've said this now MORE than once, and yet count it as a different factor
8. we just started libya, you can't honestly compare the deaths....gates said he HONESTLY has no idea how long we will be there
that said, there are differences and there are similarities....stop ignoring the obvious jarod
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thats not why we went in...he clearly said we went in to prevent a possible massacre....
Billy the Great Khan
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They were already being massacred. The only thing that was preempted with further massacres. Again, we're mostly splitting hairs here.
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no they weren't....
his words capt:
"We knew that if we waited one more day, Benghazi -- a city nearly the size of Charlotte -- could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world," Obama said. "It was not in our national interest to let that happen. I refused to let that happen. And so nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing."
couldn't wait one more day because it "could" happen.....that is textbook preemption
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more preemtpive talk:
"To brush aside America's responsibility as a leader and — more profoundly — our responsibilities to our fellow human beings under such circumstances would have been a betrayal of who we are," Obama said. "Some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities in other countries. The United States of America is different. And as president, I refused to wait for the images of slaughter and mass graves before taking action."
so jarod is against bush preemption, but supports obama preemption
"To brush aside America's responsibility as a leader and — more profoundly — our responsibilities to our fellow human beings under such circumstances would have been a betrayal of who we are," Obama said. "Some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities in other countries. The United States of America is different. And as president, I refused to wait for the images of slaughter and mass graves before taking action."
so jarod is against bush preemption, but supports obama preemption
Billy the Great Khan
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Like we did/do in Iraq?
So far. It remains to be seen if it'll stay that way.
Remove Saddam. Done.
The Kurds sure requested our help a lot
Ok, that's one. But in fairness, we had probably a dozen U.N. resolutions regarding Iraq..
Jordan, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kuwait, Etc all participated/still participate in Iraq...
Good job on recognizing that fact that infantry are not in fact airplanes, nor are they capable of dropping air based ordinance, based on the first fact.
A toll that took 10 years to build up, most of which died do to non combat related incidents, or friendly fire.
So basically you have on difference of any significance.
Any real similarities with Iraq will have to wait a few years. We'll have to see if Obama stays good on his word about limited troop involvement, and a short timeframe.
The arguments that they're similar in any way, shape or form are embarassing, imo. I'm against both, since I'm against using our military in any capacity that doesn't = immediate self defense, but Libya is not even close to Iraq in terms of reasons, build-up, scale, politics and yes, marketing.
Explain that to your buddy Yurt...
And we all know that is a lie
Getting approval is following the LAW...a principal thats obviously foreign to you