Those poor Milwaukee teachers

Topspin said:
Not that you'd now Bravo $60,000 is dog shit as a salary for a mid career college grad.
now that votec school you went to after you got the whisker burns on your back in the navy 60,000 would be high.
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Yeah! "Not that you'd now, BRAVO!" You're talking to a bonafide USof A Grad-jew-it of some back swamp university where they decided promoting him was way better than tolerating one more second in the lecture hall wiping his chin of the spittle drooling out his slackened mouth.

You are a fvcking stupid, shave your ass and walk backwards, Louisiana swamp dog idgit.

Your stupidity isn't just remarkable, it's a god damn phenomenon!
 
NigelTufnel said:
I love that when it comes to taxes $250,000 isn't "rich," but when it comes to teachers earning a decent living 40% of that is living like a fat cat.
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If $60K is a good salary, $250K is stinkin' rich.

But $60K isn't a good salary, and $250K isn't rich. $60K is decent for someone who is single and rents, but if you're a homeowner w/ a family, it's a recipe for lifelong debt.
 
usaloyal2theend said:
Yeah! "Not that you'd now, BRAVO!" You're talking to a bonafide USof A Grad-jew-it of some back swamp university where they decided promoting him was way better than tolerating one more second in the lecture hall wiping his chin of the spittle drooling out his slackened mouth.

You are a fvcking stupid, shave your ass and walk backwards, Louisiana swamp dog idgit.

Your stupidity isn't just remarkable, it's a god damn phenomenon!
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I'll add you with the other GED's I have on ignore.
 
usaloyal2theend said:
Yeah! "Not that you'd now, BRAVO!" You're talking to a bonafide USof A Grad-jew-it of some back swamp university where they decided promoting him was way better than tolerating one more second in the lecture hall wiping his chin of the spittle drooling out his slackened mouth.

You are a fvcking stupid, shave your ass and walk backwards, Louisiana swamp dog idgit.

Your stupidity isn't just remarkable, it's a god damn phenomenon!
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His entertainment value is somewhat redeeming though-I mean how else could we enjoy such a great retort as yours if it weren't for toppies arrogant idiocy?
 
Superfreak said:
Just curious.... WHO said the teachers were living like 'fat cats'?????
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What is being implied is they are not "poor". Good call on nigey's BS. They, teachers, are welcome to enter the private sector to earn bigger incomes anytime they choose-

Too, principles and superintendents DO EARN 6 figure incomes~
 
Ice Dancer said:
What is being implied is they are not "poor". Good call on nigey's BS. They, teachers, are welcome to enter the private sector to earn bigger incomes anytime they choose-
Too, principles and superintendents DO EARN 6 figure incomes~
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What a great plan for improving our education system & keeping the best people in the teaching field.

Should really help us remain competitive in the global economy...
 
bravo said:
For the historically ignorant,
The truth of the matter is, the progressives of that time, that era, were people of Abe Lincoln, John Adams, Susan B. Anthony....

You have heard of Susan B. Anthony, haven't you, Bfgrn ?

She was a prominent American civil rights leader who played a pivotal role in the 19th century women's rights movement to introduce women's suffrage into the United States.

She published a weekly journal called The Revolution, whose main thrust was to promote women’s and African-Americans’ right to suffrage, but it also discussed issues of equal pay for equal work, more liberal divorce laws and the church’s position on women’s issues.

Quite a lady she was....Susan B. Anthony...
She was co-founder of the National Woman's Suffrage Association.
She was arrested for voting in the 1872 Presidential Election.

She had written to Stanton on the night of the election that she had "positively voted the Republican ticket—straight...".

Does that surprise you?

Another prominent supporter of womens sufferage,
Jane Addams...her father, John Adams was a founding member of the Illinois Republican Party.

You may refer to them as progressive, but don't even dream they supported the Democrats of the day....the anti-civil rights, pro-slavery, anti-women bigots of the era....
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Why should I be surprised? I have said before Abraham Lincoln was one of the greatest liberals our nation has seen. I am also aware that the two parties have almost completely inverted since the 18th century. Susan B. Anthony spent her whole life opposing social conservatives. I am old enough to remember when New York State was represented by two liberal Senators; Robert F. Kennedy and Liberal Republican Jacob Javits, who J.Edgar Hoover told LBJ was too liberal to be picked for the Warren Commission.

Hey meatball, maybe you should fire off a letter to Glenn Beck who says progressives are the biggest danger to this nation.
 
Onceler said:
If $60K is a good salary, $250K is stinkin' rich.

But $60K isn't a good salary, and $250K isn't rich. $60K is decent for someone who is single and rents, but if you're a homeowner w/ a family, it's a recipe for lifelong debt.
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The absurdity of the above is quite sad.

$60k and $250k are neither rich nor poor in and of themselves. It is dependent on cost of living for the person earning those wages.

$250k in Kenosha WI is rich.... it is not rich in NYC or Boston.

$60k in Kenosha WI is a good salary. It is not in NYC or Boston.

$60k + $40k in benefits is a very good pay package.... especially for teachers who work 9 months of the year.

It is most certainly not a recipe for lifelong debt when the average home price is only $200k.
 
Damocles said:
The vast majority of bankers have no unions negotiating for them. This is a poor analogy due to the reality that they are not socially negotiating directly with a person who they got elected with millions of dollars "donated" to their campaign. They don't get to "negotiate" with a person they already own.

The situations are not even close to equivalent.
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So you're saying you have the right to arbitrarily fix the wages and benefits for public workers and that they don't have the right to have a say in that?
 
Damocles said:
Link us up. I remember them talking about people protesting at their personal residences, I don't remember anybody defending bonuses for failure. My post was based on what you said. People here didn't support that, so using it as a bludgeon on them is beating the dog for the cat's mistake.
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I just did. Go back and watch the John Stewart video I posted.
 
Voltaire said:
I don't know what planet some of you are living on, but in most parts of the United States, $60k/year is still a good salary - well above the median household income in the US, and slightly more than I make. Also to be considered is the $40k in benefits and the fact that they get at least 8 weeks off during the summer,... not to mention that their spouse probably works, too.
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That's not the point. What Teachers or other public service workers earn is not the question here. That can always be negotiated. What is at stake here is their fundamental right to collectively bargain for the wages and benefits they earn.
 
Onceler said:
What a great plan for improving our education system & keeping the best people in the teaching field.

Should really help us remain competitive in the global economy...
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LOL.... tell us.... how has the education levels in this country done since the public unions took over? Has our educational capabilities increased or decreased?

Simply paying them more doesn't necessarily equate to 'better education'. The reason our educational system sucks is the complete lack of incentives. What incentive does a teacher currently have to excel or to even simply show signs of improvement year over year?

That said, we can afford to pay more to teachers if we eliminate so much of the unnecessary administration.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's not the point. What Teachers or other public service workers earn is not the question here. That can always be negotiated. What is at stake here is their fundamental right to collectively bargain for the wages and benefits they earn.
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Who are they collectively bargaining against?

Where are you going to get the money to pay for the extra wages, benefits that are given to them.... not based on what the market will bare, but based on what the politicians who are bought and paid for are willing to promise in order to get re-elected?

Oh yeah.... that money comes from the taxpayers via higher taxes or it comes from other government programs.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
So you're saying you have the right to arbitrarily fix the wages and benefits for public workers and that they don't have the right to have a say in that?
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Public workers have the ability, through these unions, to directly inform and convince the public of a need for wage increases, it would even be cheaper than purchasing pet politicians, but not as easy. They have a platform of argument directly with the people who will pay their salaries. In this case the union is arguing that they should be able to circumvent those paying the salaries and negotiate solely with politicians who are the wholly owned subsidiary of their union. To do this they have to attempt to blame a politician they didn't buy, however it is the taxpayer who is the "fat cat" in this argument.

Public unions are incestuous beasts. They quite literally sit and "negotiate" their position across from a politician that owes his very job to their donations, millions given to elect the person they will "negotiate" with.

Because public employees have the capability of convincing voters of a need for a pay raise, they should not be allowed to buy a politician then "negotiate" budget crippling benefits unavailable to anybody in the private sector.
 
Onceler said:
What a great plan for improving our education system & keeping the best people in the teaching field.

Should really help us remain competitive in the global economy...
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No one called it a plan dork- just stating the obvious. Our current system which protects aweful teachers is the plan in place- THAT is why we are losing the competitive edge globally.
 
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