Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Yea and just about anyone can get a GED just as you have proven.
Those poor Milwaukee teachers
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Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
The answer to your questions are "of course not" but in the same light would you fix the wages and benefits of Bankers to $50,000/year and then deny them the right to negotiate for wages and benefits or to charge what the market will bear for their services?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Nor are the actual averages representative. The median income and benefits is probably the more representative figure.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Damo you know good and well they sure as hell did on Fox News and right wing talk radio.
The National Labor Relations Act or Wagner Act (after its sponsor, Senator Robert F. Wagner) (Pub.L. 74-198, 49 Stat. 449, codified as amended at 29 U.S.C. § 151–169), is a 1935 United States federal law that limits the means with which employers may react to workers in the private sector who create labor unions, engage in collective bargaining, and take part in strikes and other forms of concerted activity in support of their demands. The Act does not apply to workers who are covered by the Railway Labor Act, agricultural employees, domestic employees, supervisors, federal, state or local government workers, independent contractors and some close relatives of individual employers.
Link us up. I remember them talking about people protesting at their personal residences, I don't remember anybody defending bonuses for failure. My post was based on what you said. People here didn't support that, so using it as a bludgeon on them is beating the dog for the cat's mistake.
The vast majority of bankers have no unions negotiating for them. This is a poor analogy due to the reality that they are not socially negotiating directly with a person who they got elected with millions of dollars "donated" to their campaign. They don't get to "negotiate" with a person they already own.
The situations are not even close to equivalent.
Rationalist
Hail Voltaire
I don't know what planet some of you are living on, but in most parts of the United States, $60k/year is still a good salary - well above the median household income in the US, and slightly more than I make. Also to be considered is the $40k in benefits and the fact that they get at least 8 weeks off during the summer,... not to mention that their spouse probably works, too.
Yeah that 8 week vacation combined with school holidays 60k salary and 40k bene's is certainly a poor working mans burden~ those poor teachers.
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The Almighty
Tell us moron.... would that have happened had the POLITICIANS not repealed Glass Steagall?
Would it have happened if individuals did not take out more in loans than they could afford?
Would it have happened if mortgage companies had done their jobs and verified income levels?
Would it have happened if DC wasn't making a hard push for 'more homeowners than ever before?
also... do tell us.... who did that 'conservative' Wall Street donate more to in 2010, Reps or Dems?
You do enjoy the class warfare bullshit don't you?
Tell us.... you state that teachers have a right to get paid what the market will bare... yet you bitch and moan when the market tells the teachers it can no longer bare the current levels?
The teachers etc... are certainly not to blame for the economic downturn. But they are going to take cuts along with the rest of us.
They, like those in the private sector, have every right to go work somewhere else if they don't like the benefits being offered to them.
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The Almighty
The really sad part is that we could afford to pay the actual teachers more if we eliminated all the extra bullshit administration that is so incredibly over redundant within the public school systems.
As for your post... people don't expect teachers to live like monks. that is simply nonsense. But we are getting rather tired of idiots like Mott telling us that teachers are actually 'workers' and implying the beloved nonsense of the left that white collar workers don't really 'work'. We are also sick and tired of hearing about retirement at 50-55 for public workers. We are also sick and tired of idiots like Mott ignoring the very basic concept that public unions bargain against the tax payer.
Note... in all these threads.... not ONCE has Mott addressed the FACT that there are only two ways for benefits and salaries to be increased for public unions.....
1) Higher taxes
2) Cuts in other government departments
Instead, he whines and complains about 'rights' being taken away. The bullshit we see today is exactly why FDR didn't think collective bargaining should be allowed for government workers.
Topspin
Verified User
ahh planet of college educated. Based on your salary you likely skipped college. $60k is extreemely low for a mid-career college educated person skippy.
What's obvious on this board, with regards to college educations, is that yours was obtained from one where idiots were paid to attend...more proof that our education system is fucked up-imagine, you could be a poster boy for how rotten our education system is toppie!
Too many posters have noted your lack of a good education, so I don't make the accusation without substantiation. What makes your college shtick even more ironic is how blind to your own idiocy you are.
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The Almighty
No moron.... not channeling FDR. Stating that even FDR, one of the biggest 'big government' Presidents we have ever had, saw the fatal flaw in public unions.
$60K a year is an extremely good salary when all the benefits are paid for by someone else....
$40k in benefits can't be ignored.....well....except by pinheads.
$60k and paying for your own medical and saving for retirement would suck, but still put you in the middle class...
You'd be in the 60% of household income group
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