Mike Huckabee slams pregnant Natalie Portman

Damocles said:
You are assuming the father has nothing to do with her life.

Farah Fawcet lived with the father of her children, they never married. Since I don't know Natalie I cannot say if the father is participatory in their lives or not.
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All I'm saying here is that traditional marriage creates stability in the lives of the children. I don't know Fawcet's kids so don't know if they grew up to be stable adults. But your mention of Fawcet brings up another issue- what part of her emotional instability may have been caused by the inherent instability of her marriage?
 
cawacko said:
I don't agree with his slamming Portman. I do agree though about the issue of the number of single parents in our country or I should probably say the number of kids being raised without a father (or at least a father figure) in their lives.

I still love Chris Rock's line no matter what your mamma does nothing scares a kid like 'i'm going to tell your daddy'.
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The point is if it needs to said the Dems will say it and only the Dems will say it. If it needs to be said and a Repub says it, it's a violation or defaming someone's "good name". This countrys moral fiber is in the toilet, and GOD forbid you say it out loud!
 
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usaloyal2theend said:
The point is if it needs to said the Dems will say it and only the Dems will say it. If it needs to said and a Repub says it, it's a violation or defaming someone's "good name". This countrys moral fiber is in the toilet, and GOD forbid you say it out loud!
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How many times have we argued with liberals and it comes down to their twisted distortion of morality?
 
Damn Yankee said:
How many times have we argued with liberals and it comes down to their twisted distortion of morality?
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Admitting the core problem should mean fixing it; not falling into it helter skelter, but damn if that isn't the mission statement of the new "Fourth Reich" Dems. The problem is the new "genetically perfect" order will look like Mongloid Barbie and Ken dolls.
 
Damn Yankee said:
How many times have we argued with liberals and it comes down to their twisted distortion of morality?
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By twisted distortion of morality, do you mean advocating that people have the freedom to decide for themselves?

You're the one sanctimoniously preaching what others should & shouldn't do, and saying that a dad can't be a dad without a wedding band....
 
Beefy said:
You can have a mom and a dad without them ever having been married. I know people who have had married parents where it would have been better off had they never been married, and my niece's parent's have never been married and she's been raised the best ever.

To say that having some judge validate your relationship with the other parent somehow means that it'll be better for the kid is flat out retarded.
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What I'm suggesting is that there is a degree of permanence associated with marriage, whereas two people who are simply living together are not legally bound in any way, nor are they morally obligated to stay together and work through difficulties. Of course, this isn't true 100% of the time but I do believe it's usually the ideal situation.
 
Voltaire said:
Personally, I think having kids out of wedlock is a terrible idea. Kids need the stability that goes along with having two married parents (a mom and a dad), or at least that is the ideal situation. That said, it's none of Huckabee's business.
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So divorce is out for you, also, and is on the same level as out of wedlock pregnancies?

We always hear them criticize woman for having children out of wedlock, but what about divorce, why not the criticism of divorce? I believe it does more damage in some cases then the parent not being married. I know of a lot of people who are having families with no marriage, the parents are together and raise their children, but aren't married.
 
Damocles said:
You are assuming the father has nothing to do with her life.

Farah Fawcet lived with the father of her children, they never married. Since I don't know Natalie I cannot say if the father is participatory in their lives or not.
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Didn't Goldie Hahn, also and she is well loved, and respected.
 
Onceler said:
By twisted distortion of morality, do you mean advocating that people have the freedom to decide for themselves?

You're the one sanctimoniously preaching what others should & shouldn't do, and saying that a dad can't be a dad without a wedding band....
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Thanks for the predictable response of twisted morality.

People do have the freedom to decide what they do with their lives, just like I have the freedom to opine. None of us, however, has the freedom to decide what is moral and what is not, since it's definition is static.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
was the media glamorizing Bristol Palin's pregnancy?......
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Portman and Palin are/were both hot in the media, Portman for her latest film, Palin for her mother.

Palin's wanted to hide the pregnancy because it was an embarrassment to the family.

Portman is celebrating hers because it is with a man she loves.

If that is glamorizing it, I am glad.
 
cawacko said:
Like I said earlier I'm not a fan of Huckabee's statement. That being said my recollection of the media's response to Bristol's pregnancy sure wasn't one of celebration. It was one of she's a hypocrite, her mom's a hypocrite, we need sex ed in school etc. A far far difference than what they are saying about Portman.
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It was a different situation, the Palin family was embarrassed by the pregnancy to the point of even trying to get the young couple to marry, something that neither wished to do, and the Portman pregnancy is between two people who plan to get married, if the press is reporting correctly and love each other.

There is reason to celebrate the Portman pregnancy. The Palin pregnancy was a fiasco and one created by the family and the press just ate it up!
 
Voltaire said:
What I'm suggesting is that there is a degree of permanence associated with marriage, whereas two people who are simply living together are not legally bound in any way, nor are they morally obligated to stay together and work through difficulties. Of course, this isn't true 100% of the time but I do believe it's usually the ideal situation.
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Ahahahahahaha, you are a romantic! I hear the teachings of the church in your replies! :loveu:
 
Rana said:
It was a different situation, the Palin family was embarrassed by the pregnancy to the point of even trying to get the young couple to marry, something that neither wished to do, and the Portman pregnancy is between two people who plan to get married, if the press is reporting correctly and love each other.

There is reason to celebrate the Portman pregnancy. The Palin pregnancy was a fiasco and one created by the family and the press just ate it up!
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Christie was asking why huckabee didn't respond to Palin's pregnancy. It was a different situation with a different media reaction.
 
cawacko said:
Christie was asking why huckabee didn't respond to Palin's pregnancy. It was a different situation with a different media reaction.
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She was still a very visible non wed pregnant woman, but since it was someone on his team, well, you just hold your breathe and because the Palin's were acting in the appropriate manner, shame, then it was okay. Natalie, being a high profile person from Hollywood, the capital of sin, and her being inappropriately shameless about it, therein lies the difference.

It is the amount of good old shame that counts. I have never seen Portman preach abstinence, but I know the Palin's are big fans! This is what makes the Palin's hypocrites in this and not Portman.

The media reactions are based on the story and the big story in the Palin case was not celebrating the pregnancy, because they weren't they were trying to hide it for as long as they could, and then they tried to pretend that the kids were getting married and then they just wanted it to go away...
 
cawacko said:
Like I said earlier I'm not a fan of Huckabee's statement. That being said my recollection of the media's response to Bristol's pregnancy sure wasn't one of celebration. It was one of she's a hypocrite, her mom's a hypocrite, we need sex ed in school etc. A far far difference than what they are saying about Portman.
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Hollywood stars don't condemn others for out-of-wedlock pregnancies. Personally, I think they're wrong to casually procreate. I think babies should have two loving parents, whatever the genders. I'll bet some Hollywood kids can't even keep track of all their extended step families.

A lot of average Americans give birth to "premature" babies, not just stars. Portman is engaged to be married. She has enough money to support a tribe. She's not going to be receiving ADC.

Bristol was an underage teenager when she became pregnant, still in school, and her boyfriend was faithless. It was the typical teenage pregnancy story. Statistics correlate teenage pregnancy with less education and low income.

I think the media condemnation came from Sarah's preachiness about family values and her double standard in trying to show a difference between "conservative" America and "liberal" America. Teenage pregnancy occurs across the spectrum and Sarah found that out the hard way.
 
Rana said:
It was a different situation, the Palin family was embarrassed by the pregnancy to the point of even trying to get the young couple to marry, something that neither wished to do, and the Portman pregnancy is between two people who plan to get married, if the press is reporting correctly and love each other.

There is reason to celebrate the Portman pregnancy. The Palin pregnancy was a fiasco and one created by the family and the press just ate it up!
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I know millions of babies were conceived out of wedlock in this country, something like four out of ten. Huckabee calls out Hollywood while it's happening in his own back yard.
 
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