DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Its obviously because those folks in 49 states were just too stupit.... 
Ronald Reagan: A Simple Man Who So Nearly Destroyed Us
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No, actually what he is saying is correct, and not just the crazy left thought that way. The American public was scared to death of the USSR and the new threat of the ME terrorists. I remember the pulse of the nation at that time. I had just started a family. I remember how much fear there was of the USSR and communism. He built his whole campaign on this HUGE fear of Communism!
There was a huge amount of fear about communism and nuclear war. His whole campaign was based on the big bad USSR!
Bfgrn
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REALLY??? I am willing to bet you didn't watch this...
01-29-10
Obama Goes To GOP Lions' Den -- And Mauls The Lions
President Obama traveled to a House Republican retreat in Baltimore on Friday and delivered a performance that was at once defiant, substantive and engaging. For roughly an hour and a half, Obama lectured GOP leaders and, in a protracted, nationally-televised question-and-answer session, deflected their policy critiques, corrected their misstatements and scolded them for playing petty politics. (Full video and transcript available HERE.)
White House officials told the Huffington Post they were absolutely ecstatic. MSNBC's Luke Russert, who was on the scene in Baltimore, relayed that a Republican official and other GOP aides had confided to him that allowing the "cameras to roll like that" was a "mistake."
So effective was the president that Fox News cut away from the broadcast 20 minutes before it ended.
It was the type of performance that Obama's supporters have long demanded and that his own aides have been eager to deliver. The question-and-answer session at the end wasn't initially supposed to be broadcast, but the White House pressured GOP leadership to bring the cameras in. They knew the optics it would generate, a source with knowledge of the planning relayed. Hours before the event began, Republican leaders finally relented.
What resulted was what one Democratic strategist described as "amazing theater" -- certainly for cable news. Standing on a stage, looking down at his Republican questioners, Obama assumed the role of responsible adult to the GOP children, or, at the very least, of a college professor teaching and lecturing a room full of students.
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His competition was sorely lacking. The map on its own doesn't say anything to me, other than his competition was weak.
Reagan is over-mythologized. I do not dislike the guy at all; I think he wanted what was best for America. But his mythologization is based almost exclusively on the fact that he looked like a President, and sounded like a President (as well as getting too much credit for the fall of the Soviets). He wasn't an exceptionally intelligent man, and his policies, by & large, ultimately had a negative effect not just for most Americans, but for our long-term standing as a superpower...
It is not derangement, he was never brought to bear for his crimes in South America or the Iran Contra. He is not a Mount Rushmore figure as some have suggested. He was a President with got away with a lot.
He was an actor Superfreak, he was an actor. A bad, actor, but he was still an actor and he acted his way right through a Presidency.
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The Almighty
I don't disagree that Reagan is over-hyped by some on the far right. The recent nonsense of a check list highlights that. Like the far left, the far right tries to warp Reagan into what they want him to represent rather than what he actually was.
The phrase 'exceptionally intelligent' is obviously subjective, so I will let that slide. Reagan was not the brain dead moron the far left portrays him as. Nor did he possess anything close to the intellect of Clinton.
As for policies... Reagan's policies were a benefit to this country and to our regaining superpower status. I would be greatly interested to hear which policies you feel were so detrimental to our superpower status.
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The Almighty
Yeah.... he just 'faked' his way through being the President of the SAG, Governor of California and eight years as President of the USA.
As I said... the derangement of the left when it comes to Reagan is quite amusing at times.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Have you ever heard some of his earlier speeches, like when he was with GE? Who do you think wrote those?
Bfgrn
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"Washington couldn't tell a lie, Nixon couldn't tell the truth, and Reagan couldn't tell the difference."
Mort Sahl
What a JOKE...Reagan was the sequel to Bedtime for Bonzo; 'Bonzo Goes to Washington'
Here is all you need to know about Ronald Reagan in a mere 49 seconds...
The nuclear arms race was detrimental to our nation. Military build up. His belief that debt is not bad, he expanded the federal government by 90%.
Short-term, not long-term. To start with, I don't give Reagan much credit for the collapse of the Soviets, something that was decades in the making and came about mostly internally. On foreign policy in general, I don't give him very high grades, from continuing the US policy of overplaying our hand in the Mideast, to Iran-Contra, his policies ultimately undermined much of what he sought to do.
Fiscally, he was a disaster. His policies gave a very short-term boost, but at the expense of long-term debt and deficit. They weren't planned for the long-term (and this is a problem with our politics in general - Presidents are concerned about their own re-election, not what the effect of their policies will be 1-2 decades down the line). And fiscally is where our path down the road of being less than a superpower is going...
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The Almighty
So you are saying it would have been better to let the USSR build up its arsenal and we should have not done the same? You think that would have made this country safer?
I love how the left jumps up and down about the debt accumulated under Reagan.
1) He HAD to rebuild our military
2) He HAD to get CONGRESS to approve every dime of that debt
3) PLEASE provide us a link to where he expanded the federal government by 90%
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
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The Almighty
There were many players in the fall of the USSR. The Pope, The Polish people, Thatcher, Reagan, Gorbachev... all of them played roles. The left likes to eliminate or severely minimize Reagan's contribution. The right likes to say he won it (without recognizing the other players). I agree on Iran-Contra, but overall his foreign policy was very good. He switched from hard line on the USSR to recognizing Gorbachevs desire to reach out and accommodating that desire. He was stead fast in his fight against communism. He was seen abroad as a strong leader of this country.
Here you have gone off the deep end. A short term boost? The bull market ran from 1982 to 2000 with a few mild hiccups along the way. It was one of the greatest times in our countries history. It is laughable that you proclaim his policies resulted in the expense of our long term debt and continuing deficits. Name one that did so.
If you want to ignore Congress and just relate events solely to the President... then fine... Medicare/Medicaid under Johnson is one of the biggest additions to our debt.
The repeal of Glass Steagall by Clinton was the most significant factor in our economic meltdown in 2008 and the subsequent insanity that resulted in $5 TRILLION being added to our debt in three short years.
Socrtease
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If you look at how close the results were in Minnesota People in 50 states were almost stupit. Mondale won his own state by lest than .2 % of the vote. Which is still better than Gore did in his home state.Its obviously because those folks in 49 states were just too stupit....
Just look at the debt accumulated under Reagan and the annual deficits while he was in office/
So, we should include Congress when talking about Regan but we shouldn't include Congress when talking about Clinton? And we should blame Clinton for the repeal of Glass Steagall and blame that for our current debt predicament, but we shouldn't blame Bush's tax cuts and spending policies, even though said policies "spent" a "surplus" that you say never existed?
Weird stuff, man.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
God trivia. It was almost a shut out.
