TSA...OOC (out of control)

Good Luck said:
So, where does it say in the 4th Amendment that unreasonable searches are OK if it is related to exercising an option which is not a constitutional right?

Where is it written that one must give up their Constitutional protections in order to fly?

Also, driving a vehicle while intoxicated is illegal because a person cannot properly control their vehicle while intoxicated, thus posing a dager to themselves and others.

To equate the simple act of flying to DUI is assuming everyone is a terrorist. Is that what you are claiming? Everyone is guilty of terrorism until they prove their innocence by submitting to ridiculously invasive searches? Good God, with assholes like you out there, it's no wonder we are so fucked up these days.
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Well stated.
 
old retired fella said:
a smart guy like you could make a lot of money writing that software.

Go for it.

Until then... if we stop body scans and frisking, how to you propose we keep the flying public safe?
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The same way we did before the stupid scans and strip searches of 8 year old boys.
 
old retired fella said:
and we were just LUCKY the underwear bomber was incompetent.

roll the dice seems to be your answer.
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We had those scans when underwear man boarded a plane in a different nation, he was even on the list. Again, it is false security to begin with to assume that terrorists are randomly spread out through the people in the line.

Either we make the search palatable and equitable to everybody and require them from all, or we are taking those risks regardless.

A false sense of security is a stupid thing to rely on.

And again, what made you change your mind? What made you decide that even more intrusive warrantless wiretapping done by Obama is better than the less intrusive warrantless wiretapping done by Bush? What made you decide that creating the HSA was GREAT if Obama was in charge, but was the worst ever decision made when it was Bush? And when did it become okay to assume guilt and that people must prove innocence if they are doing anything that isn't specifically listed as a right in the constitution?
 
usaloyal2theend said:
I can't wait until the day that Waterturd actually has to back up his message board bravado with something that even resembles balls.

I only hope that someone is smart enough to video his "assault" and put it on YouTube. Watching the pimply readhead doofus pee and soil himself as he runs away screaming will be a hoot and a half.

He's such a danger to himself he shouldn't even be allowed to blow his runny nose.
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You see people? This is the evil nature of conservatives. All of those kids on youtube who beat other people up, killed other people and such, over random internet discussions, and were later justly sentenced to life in prison, were conservatives.
 
Damocles said:
We had those scans when underwear man boarded a plane in a different nation, he was even on the list. Again, it is false security to begin with to assume that terrorists are randomly spread out through the people in the line.

Either we make the search palatable and equitable to everybody and require them from all, or we are taking those risks regardless.

A false sense of security is a stupid thing to rely on.

And again, what made you change your mind? What made you decide that even more intrusive warrantless wiretapping done by Obama is better than the less intrusive warrantless wiretapping done by Bush? What made you decide that creating the HSA was GREAT if Obama was in charge, but was the worst ever decision made when it was Bush? And when did it become okay to assume guilt and that people must prove innocence if they are doing anything that isn't specifically listed as a right in the constitution?
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I haved not discussed wiretapping with you before.... and I don't see what an individual talking on his or her telephone in his or her home has to do with getting on a airplane with hundreds of other innocent passengers.

I am all for searches being equitable and effective. whether they are palatable is an individual judgment. again... if any passenger finds them unpalatable, they can take the train or a cab or stick out their thumb.

If our government cannot at least attempt to guarantee that airplane travel can be safe from terrorists, then the airline industry, and air travel will be doomed.
 
Damocles said:
I think pilots likely have means to take down the plane if that is their goal. Even if they are frisked and they don't find a tube of toothpaste in their carry on luggage.
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I'm not talking about taking down planes. I'm talking about pilots bringing drugs over the border. You can pick up a key of cocaine for $2-8,000 in South American and sell it here between $30-50,000.

From what I understand? Pilots are underpaid, and they would be perfect targets for criminals to approach and offer them coin.

Plus, they should be frisked for alcohol or drugs, so that he doesn't fly intoxicated. I've heard many reports of pilots flying under the influence.
 
wiseones2cents said:
I'm not talking about taking down planes. I'm talking about pilots bringing drugs over the border. You can pick up a key of cocaine for $2-8,000 in South American and sell it here between $30-50,000.

From what I understand? Pilots are underpaid, and they would be perfect targets for criminals to approach and offer them coin.

Plus, they should be frisked for alcohol or drugs, so that he doesn't fly intoxicated. I've heard many reports of pilots flying under the influence.
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Anybody boarding a plane can be a mule, the scans and searches do not find balloons full of drugs in intestines. And it wouldn't be illegal for them to carry alcohol in their carry on luggage, I can. So can they.
 
old retired fella said:
I haved not discussed wiretapping with you before.... and I don't see what an individual talking on his or her telephone in his or her home has to do with getting on a airplane with hundreds of other innocent passengers.

I am all for searches being equitable and effective. whether they are palatable is an individual judgment. again... if any passenger finds them unpalatable, they can take the train or a cab or stick out their thumb.

If our government cannot at least attempt to guarantee that airplane travel can be safe from terrorists, then the airline industry, and air travel will be doomed.
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This is no "guarantee" or even an attempt at one, it is false security made to make people like you feel good and to enforce ever more militaristic measures on a populace unwilling to protect their own rights.

This doesn't make you safer. Reports are they are packing these into breast implants and colons as well as into other orifices. Such measures will not find anything and they'll still be allowed on planes.

There is a reason the TSA has never caught a terrorist at a checkpoint. And it isn't because random strip searches are effective.
 
wiseones2cents said:
I'm not talking about taking down planes. I'm talking about pilots bringing drugs over the border. You can pick up a key of cocaine for $2-8,000 in South American and sell it here between $30-50,000.
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Well I have found a new profession.

I'll be back in a month guys. Just be comforted by the fact that the next line you snort could've been processed through my digestive system.
 
Damocles said:
This is no "guarantee" or even an attempt at one, it is false security made to make people like you feel good and to enforce ever more militaristic measures on a populace unwilling to protect their own rights.
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The proper method is to go through the courts or elect a new government, not just go out in the street and shoot random people or blow up your local police station (I'm reasonably certain that your planning hasn't gone far beyond that).
 
Watermarx said:
The proper method is to go through the courts or elect a new government, not just go out in the street and shoot random people or blow up your local police station (I'm reasonably certain that your planning hasn't gone far beyond that).
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I'm thinking you are spouting nonsense.
 
Damocles said:
Anybody boarding a plane can be a mule, the scans and searches do not find balloons full of drugs in intestines. And it wouldn't be illegal for them to carry alcohol in their carry on luggage, I can. So can they.
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True but most people(if not all) can be searched. If pilots are no longer able to be patted down, they can move drugs through with ease.

Their scanners cant find balloons in the intestines?

I think that's foolish that pilots can have access to alcohol on board.
 
wiseones2cents said:
True but most people(if not all) can be searched. If pilots are no longer able to be patted down, they can move drugs through with ease.

Their scanners cant find balloons in the intestines?

I think that's foolish that pilots can have access to alcohol on board.
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Nope the scanners only show what is on the outside. And it isn't foolish. They are adults and can bring stuff with them that isn't illegal. Just like you can have alcohol in your car even though you shouldn't drink it.
 
Damocles said:
This is no "guarantee" or even an attempt at one, it is false security made to make people like you feel good and to enforce ever more militaristic measures on a populace unwilling to protect their own rights.

This doesn't make you safer. Reports are they are packing these into breast implants and colons as well as into other orifices. Such measures will not find anything and they'll still be allowed on planes.

There is a reason the TSA has never caught a terrorist at a checkpoint. And it isn't because random strip searches are effective.
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so your solution is to just forget the whole deal and let anyone board with anything they want to and just accept the fact that planes will occasionally blow up and that is just part of the cost of rapid air transport?
 
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