San Francisco bans Happy Meals

bravo said:
What you fail to understand pinhead, is that is was NEVER any of your business...
Not what I eat
Not what I weigh
Not what I drink
Not what I smoke
Not if I go to a doctor
Not why I might go to doctor
Not a thousand little things
No one asked you to be my nanny.....Its called being free....
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Actually it is called throwing a tantrum. It is what children do and a nanny or some adult supervision is highly recommended.
 
Bfgrn said:
Actually it is called throwing a tantrum. It is what children do and a nanny or some adult supervision is highly recommended.
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So, instead of relying on parents to do that, ban the toy. It makes it all better. You should ban the "I voted" stickers, it makes people want to vote.
 
Damocles said:
So, instead of relying on parents to do that, ban the toy. It makes it all better. You should ban the "I voted" stickers, it makes people want to vote.
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I understand what a parent's responsibility is. My wife and I have adult children. But I also understand what the purpose of toy in the Happy Meal is; a HOOK. A child does not know that. We don't give children a drivers license for a reason.

I understand the opposition to it, but I think it is way over the top and narcissistic. We have a very serious obesity epidemic in this country. It is a huge burden that will undermine any and all efforts to reduce health care costs and insurance premiums. I don't see any benefit to having a fast food restaurant putting HOOKS in unhealthy meals to entice children. Sell the meal based on the actual food in the box.
 
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Dixie said:
It's "highly recommended" you get the fuck out of our lives, before we really get pissed.
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Is that a threat Dixie?

Here's a suggestion. Take the personal responsibility and initiative and put me on 'Ignore', because whatever your tiny little warped mind 'feels' about liberals, we will not be intimidated.
 
Bfgrn said:
I didn't take your argument literally. I thought you were making another polarized, the end of life as we know it 'right wing' rant. I apologize.
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To propose banning McDonald's would obviously be going far across the spectrum but if we know how unhealthy it is and are concerned about obesity is it not a discussion that could be had?
 
Bfgrn said:
I don't see any benefit to having a fast food restaurant putting HOOKS in unhealthy meals to entice children. Sell the meal based on the actual food in the box.
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There's nothing wrong with that viewpoint but people can create groups to pressure McDonald's not to put a toy in the happy meal, not have the government step in and force its removal.

Kids are going to fast food restaurants because they like hamburgers, fries and soda. They may choose McDonald's over Burger King because they get a toy at McDonald's but regardless they still want the fast food.

I was trying to think of a personal example that would relate and I came up with when I was young I loved sugar cereal. I was rarely allowed to get it but when I did I sometimes choose the sugar cereal which had the best toy. Looking back I realize it was never the toy that made me want to buy sugar cereal it was the sugar cereal that I wanted (and the fact that my mom wouldn't let me have it made me want it more) and the toy could distinguish which one I selected.
 
Bfgrn said:
I understand what a parent's responsibility is. My wife and I have adult children. But I also understand what the purpose of toy in the Happy Meal is; a HOOK. A child does not know that. We don't give children a drivers license for a reason.

I understand the opposition to it, but I think it is way over the top and narcissistic. We have a very serious obesity epidemic in this country. It is a huge burden that will undermine any and all efforts to reduce health care costs and insurance premiums. I don't see any benefit to having a fast food restaurant putting HOOKS in unhealthy meals to entice children. Sell the meal based on the actual food in the box.
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Parents, however, do know that. It is up to them to decide how best to bring their child into adulthood. This is firmly in the Nunya category for government.
 
Bfgrn said:
I understand what a parent's responsibility is. My wife and I have adult children. But I also understand what the purpose of toy in the Happy Meal is; a HOOK. A child does not know that. We don't give children a drivers license for a reason.

I understand the opposition to it, but I think it is way over the top and narcissistic. We have a very serious obesity epidemic in this country. It is a huge burden that will undermine any and all efforts to reduce health care costs and insurance premiums. I don't see any benefit to having a fast food restaurant putting HOOKS in unhealthy meals to entice children. Sell the meal based on the actual food in the box.
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Let's ban the toys in cereal because everyone knows that Honeycombs are full of sugar. Let's ban the prize in Cracker Jacks too....that stuff can't be good for you. Oh, and let's ban the colors and placemat/menus for kids at restaurants like Red Lobster....all that butter and stuff is clogging kids' arteries at an early age so we don't want them to go there either.

I'm sorry, but I've been reading this thread all day and how one can support a ban on toys in meals...not just happy meals I assume but other meals at other restaurants that exceed the proposed levels of "calories, fat and sugar," is beyond me. As stupid as my first paragraph was....that's exactly how I stupid I think that ban is. I don't often agree wholeheartedly with Webbay but this is truly a "Beam me up Scotty" moment.
 
McD's has found a way around the issue:

...McDonalds will change the name of its popular meals within the City boundaries from "Happy Meals" to "Gay Meals", and the toys will consist of only TeleTubbie action figures.
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Bfgrn said:
I understand what a parent's responsibility is. My wife and I have adult children. But I also understand what the purpose of toy in the Happy Meal is; a HOOK. A child does not know that. We don't give children a drivers license for a reason.
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Then why can't you understand that the child in question probably doesn't cash his paycheck, take a cab to the nearest McD's , run in and order a Happy Meal so he can enjoy a paper or plastic trinket for 5 or 6 minutes....

Is this quite beyond your understanding????

I guess your children never had a hamberger or greasy fries or a hot dog of mystery meat......always wore a helmet while on that trike...never climbed a tree or went in water over 3 inches when at the pool.....

You're a partisan pinhead, plain and simple.....if the Dems said banning Happy Meals was ridiculous tomorrow you'd jump right on that band wagon without blinking an eye....
 
leaningright said:
Let's ban the toys in cereal because everyone knows that Honeycombs are full of sugar. Let's ban the prize in Cracker Jacks too....that stuff can't be good for you. Oh, and let's ban the colors and placemat/menus for kids at restaurants like Red Lobster....all that butter and stuff is clogging kids' arteries at an early age so we don't want them to go there either.

I'm sorry, but I've been reading this thread all day and how one can support a ban on toys in meals...not just happy meals I assume but other meals at other restaurants that exceed the proposed levels of "calories, fat and sugar," is beyond me. As stupid as my first paragraph was....that's exactly how I stupid I think that ban is. I don't often agree wholeheartedly with Webbay but this is truly a "Beam me up Scotty" moment.
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All things in moderation is my lifestyle now, with the exception of sugar, which I try to do without, but lordy is it hard!
 
leaningright said:
Let's ban the toys in cereal because everyone knows that Honeycombs are full of sugar. Let's ban the prize in Cracker Jacks too....that stuff can't be good for you. Oh, and let's ban the colors and placemat/menus for kids at restaurants like Red Lobster....all that butter and stuff is clogging kids' arteries at an early age so we don't want them to go there either.

I'm sorry, but I've been reading this thread all day and how one can support a ban on toys in meals...not just happy meals I assume but other meals at other restaurants that exceed the proposed levels of "calories, fat and sugar," is beyond me. As stupid as my first paragraph was....that's exactly how I stupid I think that ban is. I don't often agree wholeheartedly with Webbay but this is truly a "Beam me up Scotty" moment.
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Watch out leaningright, Mott's going to call you a corporitist and not a rational person for your position here. :)

In his opinion a toy in a happy meal is an excess of business which any rational person believes the government needs to/should interfere (sp) in.
 
Bfgrn said:
I understand what a parent's responsibility is. My wife and I have adult children. But I also understand what the purpose of toy in the Happy Meal is; a HOOK. A child does not know that. We don't give children a drivers license for a reason.

I understand the opposition to it, but I think it is way over the top and narcissistic. We have a very serious obesity epidemic in this country. It is a huge burden that will undermine any and all efforts to reduce health care costs and insurance premiums. I don't see any benefit to having a fast food restaurant putting HOOKS in unhealthy meals to entice children. Sell the meal based on the actual food in the box.
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No, I don't think you do.
 
And now I am a raging right winger? Ask Damn Yankee or Dixie if I am a member of their political brotherhood? I just want the government, state, local and federal to limit their intrusions into my life. I do not need the government to tell me how to feed my children, or how I can package my products to sell to the public. Unless you can show a true substantial harm from the product being sold, like it has lead paint on it, or there is arsenic in the contents, then stay out of it. It is none of the governments business.
 
Threedee said:
No, I don't think you do.
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Why, because I don't agree with you? I fully understand why people are opposed to this. But I also know that many of those same people are totally unaware to what a real free market is and what it isn't. And even though this small measure won't cure childhood obesity, it might stimulate conversation, create awareness and lead to some solutions to the epidemic obesity has become in America.

What I don't think you understand is the magnitude of the problem or the exorbitant costs it burdens all of us with.

What I don't understand is conservatives place such a priority on national security, this obesity epidemic even affect that.
 
Socrtease said:
And now I am a raging right winger? Ask Damn Yankee or Dixie if I am a member of their political brotherhood? I just want the government, state, local and federal to limit their intrusions into my life. I do not need the government to tell me how to feed my children, or how I can package my products to sell to the public. Unless you can show a true substantial harm from the product being sold, like it has lead paint on it, or there is arsenic in the contents, then stay out of it. It is none of the governments business.
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Welcome to the dark side: the Right Wing. :good4u:
 
Socrtease said:
And now I am a raging right winger? Ask Damn Yankee or Dixie if I am a member of their political brotherhood? I just want the government, state, local and federal to limit their intrusions into my life. I do not need the government to tell me how to feed my children, or how I can package my products to sell to the public. Unless you can show a true substantial harm from the product being sold, like it has lead paint on it, or there is arsenic in the contents, then stay out of it. It is none of the governments business.
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Good for you. I don't want the government intruding into my life either. But it is not a free market tenet or a God given right that you can package and sell whatever you want and have body count be the hand of the 'free market'
 
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