Things are bad. What's the solution?

AssHatZombie said:
It would benefit all american workers. Dont hate on american workers just because some of them are unionized. That's pretty stupid.

I would be happy with any protectionism, just as you would be happy with tariffs, and taxes which penalize outsourcing, and are also, therefore, a protectionist.
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I never said I would be happy with tariffs and taxes, I might be very unhappy with them, it would depend on the circumstances. I am not opposed to outsourcing, I think it is beneficial to business and consumers, and I don't have a problem with that. Stop trying to put me in your Idiot Camp, I don't belong there!
 
Dixie said:
I never said I would be happy with tariffs and taxes, I might be very unhappy with them, it would depend on the circumstances. I am not opposed to outsourcing, I think it is beneficial to business and consumers, and I don't have a problem with that. Stop trying to put me in your Idiot Camp, I don't belong there!
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This is what you said, you schizoid douche. Stop denying your own statements. You just look like a giant fag.

Dixie said:
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We make it more profitable, thus, more attractive to business, to produce things here instead of outsourcing. At the same time, you deincentivize outsourcing by implementing tariffs and taxes on businesses who outsource. ...

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=714545&postcount=16
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AssHatZombie said:
This is what you said, you schizoid douche. Stop denying your own statements. You just look like a giant fag.
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And where did I say, that in all instances and cases, I would be happy with this? I suggested to you, a way that we can effect change without completely destroying our trade relations. It doesn't mean I would support the change no matter what the circumstance, or condition. You make the same mistakes a typical leftist pinhead makes with my statements, you take them out of context and make them say what you want them to say and mean what you want them to mean. Like I said, your Democrat dress looks really nice on you!
 
AssHatZombie said:
Look dixie, libtard unions aren't for protectionism like you thought.

What can't be outsourced?

Green technology isn't immune from outsourcing. Please explain your irrational belief.


That's why we should stop believing that globalization is good.
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Hey Ass...I am not Dixie.
 
Dixie said:
And where did I say, that in all instances and cases, I would be happy with this? I suggested to you, a way that we can effect change without completely destroying our trade relations. It doesn't mean I would support the change no matter what the circumstance, or condition. You make the same mistakes a typical leftist pinhead makes with my statements, you take them out of context and make them say what you want them to say and mean what you want them to mean. Like I said, your Democrat dress looks really nice on you!
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I assumed you thought it would work in the here and now, hence that you thought it here and now, since, we're in the here and now.

Policies need to change with conditions, because conditions change.

Do you think it's appropriate here and now, in our current condition?
 
AssHatZombie said:
Oh no. I was just wanting dixie to note your response.

Sorry about the confusion.

But are you ready to explain how green technology is immune from outsourcing?
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I didn't say it was immune. I made two statements, and you combined them.

In theory, nothing is immune, but some industries are less likely to be outsourced based on wanting to protect knowledge and techniques, and if it involves construction like rebuilding out energy grid, because of the physical location of the work.
 
Bfgrn said:
I didn't say it was immune. I made two statements, and you combined them.

In theory, nothing is immune, but some industries are less likely to be outsourced based on wanting to protect knowledge and techniques, and if it involves construction like rebuilding out energy grid, because of the physical location of the work.
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So we have all the installation work to save the economy? You said china was ahead in green energy. So wouldnt it make sense to import components from there?

I don't really think you've made a case that green energy is LESS LIKELY to be outsourced.

Do you think this green energy chimera is actually enough work for enough people to rejuvenate the economy?
 
AssHatZombie said:
So we have all the installation work to save the economy? You said china was ahead in green energy. So wouldnt it make sense to import components from there?

I don't really think you've made a case that green energy is LESS LIKELY to be outsourced.

Do you think this green energy chimera is actually enough work for enough people to rejuvenate the economy?
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WHAT I said is "We better get on our horse, or face moving from dependence on the Middle East for oil to dependence on China for green energy."

America needs to LEAD in the technology.
 
Bfgrn said:
WHAT I said is "We better get on our horse, or face moving from dependence on the Middle East for oil to dependence on China for green energy."

America needs to LEAD in the technology.
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Here's the full quote.

You did say we're behind china.

We are already behind China and other countries in green energy development. We better get on our horse, or face moving from dependence on the Middle East for oil to dependence on China for green energy.
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=715115&postcount=57
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If we're behind, why is it not cheaper to just import their technology. How do you spur domestic industry leadership when you're already behind? Wouldnt it be protectionist to do so?

And Why should we only lead in THAT specific industry? Shouldn't we lead in all industries?

Why do you promote protectionism for such a small part of the economy only?
 
AssHatZombie said:
Here's the full quote.

You did say we're behind china.




If we're behind, why is it not cheaper to just import their technology. How do you spur domestic industry leadership when you're already behind? Wouldnt it be protectionist to do so?

And Why should we only lead in THAT specific industry? Shouldn't we lead in all industries?

Why do you promote protectionism for such a small part of the economy only?
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Green energy is a developing technology, so there are inventions, avenues and techniques that have yet to be developed or perfected.

Green energy is compatible with a quality human existence. Why would we try to lead the world in industries that bring about environmental catastrophe and extract an unacceptable human cost?

Green energy is the 'new frontier'. President Obama needs to become what President Kennedy was to the space program. JFK didn't make promises, he issued challenges and made it clear that the public interest was his priority and should be the priority of every single American. It's called leadership and vision.

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Those who came before us made certain that this country rode the first waves of the industrial revolutions, the first waves of modern invention, and the first wave of nuclear power, and this generation does not intend to founder in the backwash of the coming age of space. We mean to be a part of it--we mean to lead it. For the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace. We have vowed that we shall not see space filled with weapons of mass destruction, but with instruments of knowledge and understanding.

Yet the vows of this Nation can only be fulfilled if we in this Nation are first, and, therefore, we intend to be first. In short, our leadership in science and in industry, our hopes for peace and security, our obligations to ourselves as well as others, all require us to make this effort, to solve these mysteries, to solve them for the good of all men, and to become the world's leading space-faring nation.

We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people. For space science, like nuclear science and all technology, has no conscience of its own. Whether it will become a force for good or ill depends on man, and only if the United States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. I do not say the we should or will go unprotected against the hostile misuse of space any more than we go unprotected against the hostile use of land or sea, but I do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours.

There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?

We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

It is for these reasons that I regard the decision last year to shift our efforts in space from low to high gear as among the most important decisions that will be made during my incumbency in the office of the Presidency.

Address at Rice University on the Nation's Space Effort

President John F. Kennedy
Houston, Texas
September 12, 1962

Listen to this speech
 
Green energy is also more expensive and cost prohibitive at this time. Not something you want to mandate on the people during an economic recession, we need jobs, not mandates from The One on what kind of energy we can use. Sorry! The American people are going to categorically reject you big time in a few weeks, because you are all idiots. Maybe then, we can return to some civility and actually DISCUSS these things, for now, your liberal pinheads are still in the clouds with your pie-in-the-sky notions.
 
I'm not "mandating" green technology, and I don't see Obama mandating it (or anyone else, though I haven't read through the entire thread). That's just a scare tactic.

It won't take long for green tech to get caught up in terms of efficiency & affordability. Economically, domestics are the way to go; I don't really get the idea that it benefits us to send hundreds of billions overseas every year.
 
Onceler said:
I'm not "mandating" green technology, and I don't see Obama mandating it (or anyone else, though I haven't read through the entire thread). That's just a scare tactic.

It won't take long for green tech to get caught up in terms of efficiency & affordability. Economically, domestics are the way to go; I don't really get the idea that it benefits us to send hundreds of billions overseas every year.
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Well, it doesn't benefit us to buy oil from the Saudi's either, but we want to make sure the Alaskan spotted toad's mating ritual isn't interrupted. There's a lot of things that we do which don't make sense, but we do them anyway, usually because some hair-brain liberal mandates it. And if you don't think Obama plans to mandate Green Energy, it would be the only thing he hasn't tried to mandate. You sons of bitches want to mandate everything, including what kind of food we eat, because you believe the people are too stupid to make the right choices. Yeah, you're damn straight he'll mandate Green energy, if he gets half the fucking chance!
 
Dixie said:
Well, it doesn't benefit us to buy oil from the Saudi's either, but we want to make sure the Alaskan spotted toad's mating ritual isn't interrupted. There's a lot of things that we do which don't make sense, but we do them anyway, usually because some hair-brain liberal mandates it. And if you don't think Obama plans to mandate Green Energy, it would be the only thing he hasn't tried to mandate. You sons of bitches want to mandate everything, including what kind of food we eat, because you believe the people are too stupid to make the right choices. Yeah, you're damn straight he'll mandate Green energy, if he gets half the fucking chance!
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Well, as long as you admit you were lying in your previous post...
 
Bfgrn said:
Green energy is a developing technology, so there are inventions, avenues and techniques that have yet to be developed or perfected.

Green energy is compatible with a quality human existence. Why would we try to lead the world in industries that bring about environmental catastrophe and extract an unacceptable human cost?

Green energy is the 'new frontier'. President Obama needs to become what President Kennedy was to the space program. JFK didn't make promises, he issued challenges and made it clear that the public interest was his priority and should be the priority of every single American. It's called leadership and vision.
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But why not be a player in all fields?

Green jobs alone are not enough to resuscitate our economy anyway.

Why only be protectionist in this one narrow slice of the economy?
 
Dixie said:
Well, it doesn't benefit us to buy oil from the Saudi's either, but we want to make sure the Alaskan spotted toad's mating ritual isn't interrupted. There's a lot of things that we do which don't make sense, but we do them anyway, usually because some hair-brain liberal mandates it. And if you don't think Obama plans to mandate Green Energy, it would be the only thing he hasn't tried to mandate. You sons of bitches want to mandate everything, including what kind of food we eat, because you believe the people are too stupid to make the right choices. Yeah, you're damn straight he'll mandate Green energy, if he gets half the fucking chance!
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Your idiotic defense of the irrational status quo globalization idiocy, while blaming it on liberals, is noted.
 
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