cawacko
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Wait, you have started upteen number of threads and probably have made over 100 posts on this issue and your opinion is the same as everyone you are arguing with?
This is truly a new low.
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Wait, you have started upteen number of threads and probably have made over 100 posts on this issue and your opinion is the same as everyone you are arguing with?
This is truly a new low.
That's a pretty broad brush statement. Do you have a comprehensive list of all of their goals, and how they were accomplished?
As far as the utilization of violence, Chrisitianity can't claim too much of a higher ground. The whole concept of manifest destiny that laid the groundwork for America in its current form was basically genocide. The use of violence by America in the Middle East over 4 decades is also pretty egregious.
Sammy Jankis
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So christianity's no better. Why does that make you pro muslim? You only like your violent theocrats when they are brown?
My opinion is that Obama has not come out for the Mosque, only for the First Amendment, cant you read...
cawacko
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Which is exactly why I am not a professional gambler as I said "the smart money is on the under". Stupid me.
Damocles, do you disagree with what President Obama has said on this subject?
I don't like any violent theocrats. I don't think the people building the mosque are violent theocrats. Nor do I think most Christians are. If they were building a Christian church there, we wouldn't hear a peep about it.
I'm pro-freedom. We have freedom of religion - it's one of our most important principles. We also have local zoning laws & ordinances; if they have the proper permits, they can build. Period.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
You're ignorant then. This imam won't admit hamas is a terrorist organization.
Islam, as practiced by those who believe in Sharia Law, is a political system as well as a religion.
I disagree with his original implication that "legal" is the same thing as "right". There was a reason he had to "explain" afterward that he wasn't talking about what is "right", just what is legal. However, this debate has never been about "legality", as even those against it in large measure (well over 60%) understand the 1st Amendment application.
As a President it is okay to make an actual judgment on what is "right" as well as what is "legal"...
Building a mosque two blocks from the former world trade center isn't slapping anyone. We aren't at war with islam.
Wow dude, you're even more rightwing than Joe Scarborough. And that's saying something!
Allah Akbar!!
In what way did he imply that legal is the same as right?
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Bottom Line: The Islamic Theocrats will not be allowed to triumphally slap us with their terror mosque.
Dangit.
Why would that matter? Considering the reaction of people (not all of them 'right-wingers'), what he says causes reaction. He's the President, he needs to choose words more carefully or he'll constantly spend time trying to crawfish out of what people heard him say.
I support their right to build it wherever they want, I do however think that it isn't the right thing to do and would celebrate it if they chose to build bridges by building the mosque elsewhere. Were I making the speech I would have made the distinction clear rather than by absence of emphasis implicate that right and legal are equal. Saying, "I didn't say it was right..." still doesn't say, "I believe it is wrong."
He is trying to be all things to all people, and will fail at that. He is causing what could be a minor issue to become something much larger through cowardice.
Hmmm and yet,
“let a man’s religion or mode of worship be what it may… provided he believes in the glorious architect of heaven and earth,”
“by the purity of their own conduct, to demonstrate the superior excellence of the faith they may profess". Thus masonry is the centre of union between good men and true.” At home and in his neighbourhood a mason is urged by the Antient Charges “to act as becomes a moral and wise man… avoiding of gluttony or drunkenness… to give honour to whom it is due, and avoid ill manners.2 ” That, and the three grand principles: “Brotherly love, Relief and Truth” summarise what the fraternity teaches and expects of every man who of his “own free will and accord 3" submits to its dictates.
I fail to see what Freemasonry has to do with this.