Who told us "socialized medicine" was bad?

[Yakuda]

YOu're too dumb to figure it out on your own. Of course I have to tell you.

LMAO as I said the more you declare your superior intelligence the less people believe you but saying it seems to make you feel better.

 

[Yakuda]

People would just stop going for routine checkups and vaccinations. When someone comes up with a preventable condition like lung cancer, severe heart disease, or stroke from undiagnosed hypertension -- will it cost their insurance company a bundle for their treatment? That's why their bean counters have calculated that paying 100% for preventative care costs the least. No one is forcing them to provide free preventative care.

Then they're idiots just like you. Insurance is the problem not healthcare. The insurance company Is the doctors customer, you the patient are just the customers proxy.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

No, they don't. Even the most rah rah socialized medicine studies show that.

Provide one, then. Good luck.

 

[Crepitus]

No, they don't. Even the most rah rah socialized medicine studies show that.

Absolutely false.

World Health Systems Facts - World Health Systems Facts

World Health Systems Facts - World Health Systems Facts

healthsystemsfacts.org

 

[T. A. Gardner]

People would just stop going for routine checkups and vaccinations. When someone comes up with a preventable condition like lung cancer, severe heart disease, or stroke from undiagnosed hypertension -- will it cost their insurance company a bundle for their treatment? That's why their bean counters have calculated that paying 100% for preventative care costs the least. No one is forcing them to provide free preventative care.

That's on them. What do you propose, mandatory periodic health examinations whether you need one or not?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Absolutely false.

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World Health Systems Facts - World Health Systems Facts

World Health Systems Facts - World Health Systems Facts

healthsystemsfacts.org

Show me where in that link that the US healthcare system produces poor outcomes for its users.

As for life expectancy, show the metrics used to determine that. Were any of them not related to healthcare? My bet is that life expectancy has a lot more to do with things that aren't healthcare related than things that are.

 

[Nordberg]

Show me where in that link that the US healthcare system produces poor outcomes for its users.

As for life expectancy, show the metrics used to determine that. Were any of them not related to healthcare? My bet is that life expectancy has a lot more to do with things that aren't healthcare related than things that are.

Us is at the bottom in healthcare results for industrialized nations, https://niacouncil.org/zogbypoll/#chart-1 But it tops them in cost.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Us is at the bottom in healthcare results for industrialized nations, https://niacouncil.org/zogbypoll/#chart-1 But it tops them in cost.

Your link took me to a poll on the Iran war.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Preventative healthcare should be paid out of pocket. That would keep the costs way down from what they are. Using insurance to pay for just about anything that's routine is asininely absurd. It is one of the main drivers of rising insurance policy costs. Those home and car maintenance policies are the same thing. They just drive up the cost of those services massively.

no.

wrong.

insurance and big pharma should be greatly disempowerd.

your idiot solutions will make a marginal difference.

you're a fascist and you love big pharma genocide.

quit aping intelligence; you have none.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Communism IS a form of socialism, Stooge.

yes. and stupid is a form of idiot, isn't it cretin?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

no.

wrong.

insurance and big pharma should be greatly disempowerd.

your idiot solutions will make a marginal difference.

you're a fascist and you love big pharma genocide.

quit aping intelligence; you have none.

For routine care, like checkups and minor stuff, definitely. That gets insurance out of like 75 to 85% of healthcare.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

For routine care, like checkups and minor stuff, definitely. That gets insurance out of like 75 to 85% of healthcare.

overcharging on little shit is also highly profitable. they wont let that go either.

insurance must be eliminated and big pharma needs to be bitch slapped into the stone age.

they must be put in jail when they attempt genocide.

any mandated medicine is CLEAR fascism and that must end as well.

they are the Nazis.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

all insurance is a fascist scheme.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

all insurance is a fascist scheme.

No, insurance is like a casino. It's essentially a game of chance. The insurer is betting the bad thing won't happen, you are betting it will.

The problem today is that the government is on the side of the 'house' (eg., the insurers) and forcing people to have coverage whether they want it or not.

 

[Crepitus]

Show me where in that link that the US healthcare system produces poor outcomes for its users.

As for life expectancy, show the metrics used to determine that. Were any of them not related to healthcare? My bet is that life expectancy has a lot more to do with things that aren't healthcare related than things that are.

One word, son.

C. H. A. R. T.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

One word, son.

C. H. A. R. T.

You obviously know ZERO, nada, zip-point-shit, about statistics. Your chart, on its own, is MEANINGLESS. I want to see the data behind it.

 

[Nordberg]

Your link took me to a poll on the Iran war.

Try this. http we all knew we had the most expensive and crappiest heathcare og u=industrs://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/?srsltid=AfmBOoocPKpBbNNPw5eY3NW71UQgHKQU4Ou3pQ8Wio7HQ-gmHXbIeKdW But I thought everyone knew we have by far the most expensive and worst healthcatre results of industrial nations.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Try this. http we all knew we had the most expensive and crappiest heathcare og u=industrs://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/?srsltid=AfmBOoocPKpBbNNPw5eY3NW71UQgHKQU4Ou3pQ8Wio7HQ-gmHXbIeKdW But I thought everyone knew we have by far the most expensive and worst healthcatre results of industrial nations.

And what does your link to some generic AI prove? AI is often wrong, and this is just one more case of it.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

No, insurance is like a casino. It's essentially a game of chance. The insurer is betting the bad thing won't happen, you are betting it will.

The problem today is that the government is on the side of the 'house' (eg., the insurers) and forcing people to have coverage whether they want it or not.

except the government does force you to gamble.

and a casino in healthcare is illfitting and wasting a lot of overhead. and then they deny you claims.

it's just another money grab and a yet another chance for criminality by white collar criminals.

you;re a transparent fascist shill idiot.

saying something is like gambling is not a defense, fool.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

That's on them. What do you propose, mandatory periodic health examinations whether you need one or not?

Did I say mandatory? No, I did not. I'm merely pointing out that you are wrong; preventative medicine has been shown to be cost-effective, contributes to a decrease in morbidity and mortality, and has been adopted by most health insurers as good practice. They're in business to make money. They wouldn't provide free annual wellness visits if it cost them money; it SAVES money in the long run. Your idea of removing annual checks from insurance coverage would lead to undiagnosed-but-easily-treated-if-found-early health conditions like diabetes, heart disease, cancer, hypertension, etc. That's why the bean counters have calculated that the old saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" is valid.