Bai Lan
Let It Rot
When are you going to learn that the religion of islam teaches that islam is not compatible with a non-islamic government?
Do you want the fed to determine where Churches can be built?
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When are you going to learn that the religion of islam teaches that islam is not compatible with a non-islamic government?
christiefan915
Catalyst
When are you going to stop learning</sarcasm> about Islam from nuts like Craig Wynn, Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer and their ilk?
What possible reason?
What could it be?
What a fuckin mystery?
Just forget it, your fuckin' pin head might just explode thinking about it....
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
When are you going to stop ignoring the actual teachings of islam?
Not about Islam....just terrorism......(shakes head)
You're such a pathetic pinhead it actually makes me feel utter pity for you and those that think like you....
I hope you're at least pretty...it will be such an injustice to ugly and fuckin stupid....
christiefan915
Catalyst
Fortunately your hateful bigotry will have no influence on the decision to build Cordoba House.
Americans like you make me ashamed of this country.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Too broad of a war, as has been noted for years as a major criticism of the Bush Administration's use of the word and the term, "War on Terror."
Its about Islamism, which has more to do with Islam than it does with anything else.
That has nothing to do with it. That's just bs propaganda.
This mosque is not a representation of terrorsist's victory but ours.
This is from an interview with the wife of the Immam, who plays a large role in the organization (not the stereotype of the fundamnetalist muslim women).
Q-I was told that the Mosque is planned as expression of Muslim supremacy, victory on 9/11, a symbol of the Islamist conquering of America. What does the Mosque and Cultural Center symbolize to you?
A-The YMCA, 92nd Street Y, the JCC-these are the expressions of past emigrations. Islam is now beginning this process of assimilation. We now see our role of serving the community while serving Muslims. It is part of the expression of Islam in America, through American cultural manifestations of religion. The center will be another symbol of Islam’s assimilation into American culture. We are restating the core values of Islam in the American framework.
http://forusa.org/blogs/mark-johnso...-mosque-interfaith-cultural-center-some-facts
This is from an interview with the wife of the Immam, who plays a large role in the organization (not the stereotype of the fundamnetalist muslim women).
Q-I was told that the Mosque is planned as expression of Muslim supremacy, victory on 9/11, a symbol of the Islamist conquering of America. What does the Mosque and Cultural Center symbolize to you?
A-The YMCA, 92nd Street Y, the JCC-these are the expressions of past emigrations. Islam is now beginning this process of assimilation. We now see our role of serving the community while serving Muslims. It is part of the expression of Islam in America, through American cultural manifestations of religion. The center will be another symbol of Islam’s assimilation into American culture. We are restating the core values of Islam in the American framework.
http://forusa.org/blogs/mark-johnso...-mosque-interfaith-cultural-center-some-facts
Im a liberal but Ive never asked or expected the government to feed me, provide me with medical care, welfare, a home loan, regulate what I can eat, drink or smoke.
I resent that the Republiucans try to regulate who I can marry, what I can smoke, and how I choose to have sex...
I want my government out of religen, I dont want it telling the private owners of land what they can and cant do with that land simply due to the religous purpose of that use.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Yeah, christie said the locals. That is, people in the neighborhood.
New York is not really one city geographically, culturally or in spirit. On my visits, many of my wife's friends talked about how they never get to the city (i.e., Manhattan) from their boroughs. It had been years since some of them had visited and they only came in to see my wife. Others now living outside of Brooklyn (where her gang grew up) had not been back there for years. The people in Staten Island are not locals, to this. To pretend they are is ignorant.
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Let me be Devil's advocate (I've already argued ad-hominem that if we truly believe in religious freedom then we would allow them to build if they get the permits.):
Maybe they are thinking a bit of taste should come into play. Even with "freedom of speech" would it be okay for a Christian church to be built in Mecca? A Nazi memorial in Jerusalem? Should the Japanese be able to build memorials in China where they "tested" their gas bombs, or where their soldiers threw the kids in the air and stabbed them with bayonets?
With "Freedom of Speech" and/or "Religion" any of these things could be possible, but should they be done?
None of those situations are remotely analogous to the situation in NY. Al Qaeda isn't building the mosque. The only analogous situation you mention is a Christian church in Mecca, and yes, according to the First Amendment it would be okay for a church to be built in Mecca.
And we can debate whether it is tasteful to build the mosque, but that doesn't seem to be the issue. The issue seems to be whether the government can or should prevent it from being built.
Again, legal doesn't mean right. My question was if such things would be right. When we are called upon to be tolerant, reciprocity is paramount. It is much easier to have respect for the beliefs of others when they have respect for you in return.
Or a Catholic church near a pre-school?
smWhy shouldn't a Christian church be built in Mecca? Now memorials to war... How does that compare? It does not.
They have been in this area for many years, well before 9/11. They are expanding to meet the needs of the community, not as part of some crazed plot. The arguments against this thing are coming out of the fever swamps of the right. You guys (the few sane people that still have sympathy for the GOP) should be shouting these retards down as their arguments have no merit whatsoever.
The ONLY issue here is property rights and freedom of religion. The nuts are just trying to make an issue of this for political gain. They do not care who they slander in the process.
So idiot Republicans from, wherever, should be consulted on everything that happens in this area over what the neighborhood wants? Why?
They did not even care about the Muslims in the neighborhood until some hate-mongers whipped them into action.
If this were some sort of in-your-face memorial you might have a point. It is not.
As far as I'm aware, the people building the mosque are not and have not protested the building of a church anywhere in the United States and do not have any issues with Americans exercising their freedom of religion. And if the Christian ass-hats protesting this mosque are all about reciprocity, they have a funny way of showing it.
The devil needs a better advocate.