What god did Einstein believe in?

[Into the Night]

Why would I?

Because it's simple.

These atheists always reject all evidence, I have played this game before

The Church of No God is not atheism. It is a fundamentalist style religion, just like yours.

 

[Into the Night]

Inversion fallacy fuck face

LIF. Grow up, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Is that because you don't really believe what you claim? ... because you don't understand what you preach?


... when you are yourself immersed in darkness.

I agree. She is just as much a fundamentalist as the Church of No God.

 

[Margot]

Because it's simple.

The Church of No God is not atheism. It is a fundamentalist style religion, just like yours.

I don't think I ever claimed what "Religion" ,I'm involved with.
I usually only hint at my mission.

 

[Hume]

Einstein was a Jew! One of YHWH's Chosen People!
"God doesn't play dice with the Universe"!

uh huh

 

[Into the Night]

I have not asked you to give me "evidence." NEVER. So stop with that nonsense. I have merely pointed out that the evidence (of which there appears to be plenty)...is ambiguous. "The evidence" (everything that exists or appears to exist) either points to a god who created it...or to "it simply has always existed." There is no way to tell which it is.

So anyone asserting that "the evidence" was created by a god is just making a blind guess...AND anyone asserting that there are no gods (that "the evidence" has always existed in some form or another) is also making a blind guess.

People who blindly guess, "There is a god" often are as hard headed as you, Margot...and insist that THEIR blind guess IS correct. And people who blindly guess that there are no gods often are also as hard headed as you...and insist that THEIR bind guess IS correct.

I just wonder which blind guess is correct.

If you choose to think that I am asking you to "show me the light" or that I am choosing to "remain in the darkness"...fine with me. I actually get a chuckle out of it.

If you think that making a blind guess in one direction or another is important, I am willing to make a blind guess. Let me know if you want me to toss the coin. I promise I will guess the way the coin toss dictates.

False dichotomy fallacy.
There is more than just these two blind guesses.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't think I ever claimed what "Religion" ,I'm involved with.
I usually only hint at my mission.

Calling your fundamentalist religion anything else doesn't change what it is.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

...I would phrase that, "there is no unambiguous evidence of supernatural forces." And there isn't. But that, as Ii am sure you will agree, is not proof (or even evidence) that no supernatural forces exist.

DISCLAIMER: If by "supernatural forces" you mean, forces that are not a part of the natural universe, then I suggest that cannot exist. Anything that actually exists, including the things that exist that we humans may not be able to detect in any way, EXISTS. So IF ghosts, for instance, exist...they are not supernatural. They are as natural as apples or grass or fish...regardless of the fact that we humans cannot detect them. IF gods exist, they are as natural as ghosts....

Agreed. As Carl Saga said, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

The strict definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernatural
of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe

 

[Margot]

Calling your fundamentalist religion anything else doesn't change what it is.

Define what you think is "Fundamentalist religion"!

 

[IBDaMann]

The question on the table is which seems to be more likely:

Nope. That is not the question on the table.

In fact, the question on the table will never be "How does it seem to someone who already believes something in particular?" That seeming question is its own answer, and is thus not a question.

that a mathematically rational and lawfully organized universe

Your delusion that a random dust ball is somehow "mathematically rational" and "lawfully organized" is what makes any rational discussion with you impossible.

When one looks out at the cosmos, anyone who believes that the universe was "created" must also accept that the universe was spit out of absolutely the best random number generator, one that is far better than any human can devise, i.e. there is no organization, period.

You are aware of no test of randomness that the universe fails. That says it all.

random chance;

This is a perfect description of the observable universe.

or that a mathematically rational and lawfully organized universe was caused by some type of underlying rational agency.

No mathematically rational and lawfully organized universe was caused. A random dust cloud? Sure.

 

[Into the Night]

Define what you think is "Fundamentalist religion"!

Already did, numerous times. RQAA.

But, I'll humor you again this time.

ALL religions are based on some initial circular argument, also known as the Argument of Faith. This itself is not a fallacy. ALL other arguments for that religion stem from that initial circular argument. Christianity, for example, is based on the initial circular argument (or Argument of Faith) that Jesus Christ exists, and He is who He says He is, namely, the Son of God. ALL other arguments in Christianity stem from this initial circular argument.

Attempting to PROVE a circular argument True, is a fallacy, called the Circular Argument Fallacy. This is what a fundamentalist does.

It is not possible to prove whether there is a god or gods.
It is not possible to prove there is no god or gods.

You have attempted to prove your religion is True. That is not possible. This is what makes you a fundamentalist.
The Church of No God also tries to prove their religion is true. This is not possible. This is what makes them a fundamentalist style religion.

Other fundamentalist religions include the Church of Green, the Church of Global Warming, the Church of Covid, the Church of the Ozone Hole, the Church of Hate, the Church of Karl Marx, the Church of the Big Bang, the Church of Evolution, the Church of Abiogenesis, etc.

Science is completely atheistic. It does not care whether any god or gods exist or not. It simply doesn't go there.
It is the same with mathematics.
It is the same with logic.

If you want to believe in your god that is fine...but don't try to prove it. You can't.

Atheism is not a religion. It's Latin meaning uses the prefix 'a-', mean 'not'. 'Theism' means religion, or belief. Atheism takes NO view. It simply does not care whether a god exists or not. It simply doesn't go there. Atheists have not decided whether any god or gods exist or not.

The Church of No God is a religion, not atheism at all. It is fundamentalist by nature, continually using magick words like 'science' to attempt to prove their religion is True.

I happen to be Christian. I am fully aware that my religion is based on faith, and faith alone. I cannot prove any of it. There IS evidence of it's truth, however. Evidence is not a proof. I have already stated some of this evidence.

There is also evidence supporting the Church of No God. Again, evidence is not a proof.

 

[IBDaMann]

Atheism is not a religion. It's Latin meaning uses the prefix 'a-', mean 'not'.

It's a Greek prefix, meaning "lacking". The equivalent Latin prefix is "i", e.g. illegal, incoherent, impossible, insubordinate, etc.

'Theism' means religion, or belief.

Excellent! Bonus points. It also does not necessarily mean "gods", because there are religions that do not have deities, e.g. Budhism, Native American religions, etc.

Atheism takes NO view.

Exactly. Atheism lacks any theism.

It simply does not care whether a god exists or not.

One might not care, and one might care a lot. An atheist simply has not been convinced of any particular theism.

The Church of No God is a religion, not atheism at all.

Spot on. That church holds a theistic view, thus precluding atheism.

It is fundamentalist by nature, continually using magick words like 'science' to attempt to prove their religion is True.

Exactly. Atheists have no thesitic beliefs to somehow assert are true.

I happen to be Christian. I am fully aware that my religion is based on faith, and faith alone.

... which is all you need.

I cannot prove any of it.

... and as such, your faith is invulnerable. You don't regularly get your faith falsified by claiming it to be thettled thienth.

There IS evidence of it's truth,

... and you get 100% control over what is admitted as evidence for your faith.

I have already stated some of this evidence.

... which is merely a courtesy since you are the magistrate and you have already made your ruling.

There is also evidence supporting the Church of No God. Again, evidence is not a proof.

This one is tricky. I'm not sure there really can be empirical evidence of something that doesn't exist. My take is that a lack of deities would be reflected in an equivalent lack of evidence ... specifically because there isn't anything evident ... and that's where we fall into the axiom that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Ergo, the Church of No God falsifies itself just as all the other Marxist religions.