Didja ask your mom yet?
What god did Einstein believe in?
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Why would I? These atheists always reject all evidence, I have played this game before
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Inversion fallacy fuck face
IBDaMann
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Is that because you don't really believe what you claim? ... because you don't understand what you preach?
... when you are yourself immersed in darkness.
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To teach. To be helpful. To share knowledge. To be a good person. To make the world a better place.
Probably because it isn't evidence. You aren't the sharpest tack in the box; you probably don't know what constitutes evidence.
This is a delusion of your own making, as you aren't playing any game.
Didja ask your mom yet?
I have not asked you to give me "evidence." NEVER. So stop with that nonsense. I have merely pointed out that the evidence (of which there appears to be plenty)...is ambiguous. "The evidence" (everything that exists or appears to exist) either points to a god who created it...or to "it simply has always existed." There is no way to tell which it is.
So anyone asserting that "the evidence" was created by a god is just making a blind guess...AND anyone asserting that there are no gods (that "the evidence" has always existed in some form or another) is also making a blind guess.
People who blindly guess, "There is a god" often are as hard headed as you, Margot...and insist that THEIR blind guess IS correct. And people who blindly guess that there are no gods often are also as hard headed as you...and insist that THEIR bind guess IS correct.
I just wonder which blind guess is correct.
If you choose to think that I am asking you to "show me the light" or that I am choosing to "remain in the darkness"...fine with me. I actually get a chuckle out of it.
If you think that making a blind guess in one direction or another is important, I am willing to make a blind guess. Let me know if you want me to toss the coin. I promise I will guess the way the coin toss dictates.
The Universe exists. There is no evidence of what caused its existence nor evidence of anything outside of it.
The Universe had a clear beginning and its most likely end will be Heat Death. "The Big Chill".
Dutch, I will make a comment about your "third option."In short: No one has proof of anything beyond our own physical existence and our physical universe. It boils down to a third option: faith. Some only think the physical exists and nothing beyond it. That's the difference between those who have faith and those who falsely claim they do.
Please correct me if I misunderstood. TIA.
On the question of "Are there any gods or are there no gods?"...the ONLY option seems to be...to make a blind guess. IF there are any gods and the gods want to reveal themselves, they should be able to do so, but there is no verifiable way to ascertain that any have. Some people have indicated that THEY have been selected for a revelation (like Margot, for instance), but...well, who knows what is going on with them.
When a person asserts "There are no gods" or "There is (at least one) god"...it is just a guess...based on no unambiguous evidence. That is why I call it a "blind" guess. One can do just as well using a coin flip. By the way, the blind guess "there is at least one god" is often just an iteration of blind guesses previously made by others.
"Faith" is merely the insistence that the blind guess is correct...nothing more. It is most often used to rationalize the blind guess that there is at least on god, but it applies every bit as much to the blind guess that there are no gods.
What we humans think of as "the universe" may or may not have had a "beginning"...and may or may not have "an end" in its future. But we humans considering the reality of existence are probably like a paramecium contemplating quantum physics.
You don't need scientific proof or unimpeachable empirical evidence to make a decision about the ultimate nature of the universe. Most of the decisions we make in life involve incomplete information, and are based on inference and reasoning to the best explanation.
Logical inference to the best explanation is a perfectly normal type of reasoning.
The question on the table is which seems to be more likely: that a mathematically rational and lawfully organized universe was caused by inanimate, irrational physical reasons and random chance; or that a mathematically rational and lawfully organized universe was caused by some type of underlying rational agency.
No! It's because I have played the "evidence game" with you atheist before! There's people who's mission is to save your soul!But that's not mine! Mine is to Stand between the Tares and Wheat!
What you don't see is You're the Blind one,wondering through the Darkness
That's not my situation! "Many are called few are Chosen"!
What do these three pictures have in common?
Toledo means Sword.
Yeah, sure.
Margot...you bring insult to your name and avatar.
I enjoy watching you defend your blind guess...and calling people who do not share your blind guess...as living in darkness. Thank you for that.
There's no such thing as magic or miracles. Everything that happens falls within the realm of natural laws....even if the probability is very low.
Due to the vast number of violent events in WWII, event with a low probability of happening did, occasionally, happen such as the survival of B-17 tail gunner James Raley. Similarly, there was the low probability survival of Viswashkumar Ramesh as the sole survivor out of 241 killed in the Air India crash.
There is zero evidence of magic, miracles, gods, supernatural events or anything else beyond the physical universe. There's only the question of "why?" It's a matter of faith....regardless if it's by accident or design.
But instead of descending at breakneck speed, the bomber's tail spiraled downward, somewhat slowing its velocity, and Raley estimated it took 10-15 minutes for the wreckage to complete its fall. In those frightening moments, thoughts of family and friends raced through Raley's mind. Believing his time was short, Raley relived cherished memories of growing up on a farm, the eighth of nine children, in Kentucky.
"I knew we were spinning around because flashes of blue, green and brown kept flashing past ...," Raley was quoted as saying in a 2019 article in his hometown newspaper. "I thought the whole ship was intact by the way it was twisting around and the time it was taking us to get down. I was praying, too. I was telling myself in another few minutes, I'll be dead."
Except Raley did not die. The tail section fortuitously first made contact with a cluster of trees on a mountainside before stopping abruptly. Raley painstakingly extricated himself from all of the ammo surrounding him, then -- with the escape hatch nearest him damaged and pinned shut -- exited through the bulkhead door. For the first time, Raley saw the full extent of what he had survived.
Air India plane crash survivor: 'I'm luckiest man alive'
Viswashkumar Ramesh describes the pain and anguish he is enduring despite surviving the disaster.
www.bbc.com
IBDaMann
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Tell me about this "evidence" game. I think you just pulled that out of your azz, especially since you can't explain it to a Christian.
Do I have a soul? Can it be saved?
Am I a tare or a wheat?
I agree with much of what you said here, but I disagree with the conclusion you seem to be offering. So let me ask you two questions directly:There's no such thing as magic or miracles. Everything that happens falls within the realm of natural laws....even if the probability is very low.
Due to the vast number of violent events in WWII, event with a low probability of happening did, occasionally, happen such as the survival of B-17 tail gunner James Raley. Similarly, there was the low probability survival of Viswashkumar Ramesh as the sole survivor out of 241 killed in the Air India crash.
There is zero evidence of magic, miracles, gods, supernatural events or anything else beyond the physical universe. There's only the question of "why?" It's a matter of faith....regardless if it's by accident or design.
Raley's plane, which led the 301st's second squadron of bombers, was caught in the carnage. He recalled "a hell of a jolt" as the bomber's 12-foot tail section was sheared off from the rest of the aircraft. Crammed into tight quarters and his movement constricted by the pair of machine guns he manned and several hundred rounds of ammunition, Raley could not create enough space to put on his parachute.
But instead of descending at breakneck speed, the bomber's tail spiraled downward, somewhat slowing its velocity, and Raley estimated it took 10-15 minutes for the wreckage to complete its fall. In those frightening moments, thoughts of family and friends raced through Raley's mind. Believing his time was short, Raley relived cherished memories of growing up on a farm, the eighth of nine children, in Kentucky.
"I knew we were spinning around because flashes of blue, green and brown kept flashing past ...," Raley was quoted as saying in a 2019 article in his hometown newspaper. "I thought the whole ship was intact by the way it was twisting around and the time it was taking us to get down. I was praying, too. I was telling myself in another few minutes, I'll be dead."
Except Raley did not die. The tail section fortuitously first made contact with a cluster of trees on a mountainside before stopping abruptly. Raley painstakingly extricated himself from all of the ammo surrounding him, then -- with the escape hatch nearest him damaged and pinned shut -- exited through the bulkhead door. For the first time, Raley saw the full extent of what he had survived.
Air India plane crash survivor: 'I'm luckiest man alive'
Viswashkumar Ramesh describes the pain and anguish he is enduring despite surviving the disaster.
Are you saying there are no gods?
Are you saying that it is more probable that there are no gods than that there is at least one god?
And before you answer either, let me say that I intend to defend the assertion, "Neither of those can be answered YES without making an unwarranted blind guess."
No. I'm saying there is no evidence of supernatural forces. The $64 question being "What created the Universe?" followed by "why are we here?"
Unknown. As for beliefs, I believe in one all-powerful force. A force that is intelligent and a force that we are all part of.
Okay, so your answer to my two questions are both, NO.
Great. You have identified as an agnostic...and that makes sense.
I would answer them both NO also.
I would phrase that, "there is no unambiguous evidence of supernatural forces." And there isn't. But that, as Ii am sure you will agree, is not proof (or even evidence) that no supernatural forces exist.
DISCLAIMER: If by "supernatural forces" you mean, forces that are not a part of the natural universe, then I suggest that cannot exist. Anything that actually exists, including the things that exist that we humans may not be able to detect in any way, EXISTS. So IF ghosts, for instance, exist...they are not supernatural. They are as natural as apples or grass or fish...regardless of the fact that we humans cannot detect them. IF gods exist, they are as natural as ghosts.
It is entirely possible that things exist in nature that humans simply cannot detect by any means.
Okay, I will agree with that. And it is my opinion that the answer to either of those questions can only be a guess...a blind guess as I defined "blind guess" earlier.
Yup, "Unknown."
I just do not do "believing" about this issue. I know I do not know...and I live with that. Any guess I would make would be of no more value than an opinion I obtained by a coin toss.
As I said, I do not do "believing" on this issue...and I generally do not do coin tossing on it either.