Crime rate for Customs officers is higher than for undocumented immigrants.

T. A. Gardner said:
Not true. The father is illegally in the US having snuck in from Ecuador. When he faced deportation, he tried to apply for asylum. There is no reason whatsoever someone from Ecuador needs asylum in the US so it was obviously simply a dodge to buy time and not be deported.
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I thought this was all about "removing the worst of the worst". Now we're using toddlers as bait and kidnaping them to other states.

You are a disgusting piece of shit - for blessing this evil, you trumptard bitch girl.

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Look at this photo, Terry. ICE terroizing a young child.

You're just dead inside man. That's it.

you're nothing but trump's bitch.
 
Yakuda said:
Should.have come through the front door then.

First is all I don't believe anything you twats say. Second you had to flood the country with millions of illegals so you could claim there's too many to deport and since they're already here let's grant them amnesty and citizenship. We've seen this lame ass movie of your before.
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And now you are deflecting.
 
Yakuda said:
Should.have come through the front door then.

First is all I don't believe anything you twats say. Second you had to flood the country with millions of illegals so you could claim there's too many to deport and since they're already here let's grant them amnesty and citizenship. We've seen this lame ass movie of your before.
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How do you make this craziness up?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Not true. The father is illegally in the US having snuck in from Ecuador. When he faced deportation, he tried to apply for asylum. There is no reason whatsoever someone from Ecuador needs asylum in the US so it was obviously simply a dodge to buy time and not be deported.
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You are wrong once again.

Certainly. The statute 8 U.S.C. § 1325 addresses unlawful entry into the United States. It reads in part:

"Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both..."
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This statute is often cited in cases involving unauthorized border crossings. It classifies such acts as a federal misdemeanor for first-time offenses, with potential fines or imprisonment. Repeat offenses may be prosecuted as felonies under other statutes.

If you're analyzing legal or policy implications, I can help compare how this statute has been applied historically or in recent cases.


Is Ecuador a dangerous place to live that there are grounds to claim asylum in the US?

Yes, Ecuador’s current conditions—marked by organized crime, human rights violations, and weakened asylum protections—can support a claim for asylum in the U.S., but eligibility depends on individual circumstances and credible fear of persecution.

Ecuador’s Security and Human Rights Situation (2025–2026)​

  • Homicide rates surged by 40% in 2025, nearing historic highs.
  • Organized crime has fragmented, with a 54% increase in identifiable gangs between 2023 and 2024.
  • President Noboa declared “internal armed conflict” in January 2024, invoking emergency powers that led to:
    • Extrajudicial killings
    • Enforced disappearances
    • Arbitrary arrests and ill-treatment by security forces.
  • Judicial independence is under threat, with judges and prosecutors lacking protection and tools to investigate crime.

Asylum Eligibility Implications​

To qualify for asylum in the U.S., an Ecuadorian applicant must show:

  • Credible fear of persecution based on race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group.
  • Inability to safely relocate within Ecuador.
  • Government inability or unwillingness to protect them.
The deteriorating security and documented abuses may support claims, especially for:

  • Journalists, activists, or Indigenous leaders targeted by state or criminal actors.
  • Victims of gang violence or extortion with no state protection.
  • Individuals harmed during protests or military operations.

Legal and Policy Complications​

  • Ecuador signed a secret Asylum Cooperative Agreement (ACA) with the U.S. in July 2025, allowing the U.S. to send asylum seekers to Ecuador for processing.
  • Litigation is ongoing (U.T. v. Bondi) challenging whether Ecuador provides a “full and fair” asylum system.
  • Ecuador’s 2025 reforms to its asylum law (LOMH) impose:
    • Accelerated deportations
    • Security-based inadmissibility filters
    • High burdens of proof for refugee status
These reforms may ironically strengthen U.S. asylum claims by showing Ecuador is no longer a safe third country.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
I see you are going to prove you are in a cult by arguing about something I never said.




Are you saying that I can include any crimes committed by an ICE agent from before they became an ICE agent?
Your math is based on a false premise since we are talking rates at which different groups commit crimes. How they joined that group is NOT part of what they do after they are in the group. Your claim becomes a paradox since no one can be a member of the group if they haven't violated 8 U.S.C. § 1325 and they can only be a member AFTER they violated it. The crime rate of the group can only include members of the group and crimes they commit while part of that group. They didn't commit the crime you allege while part of the group so it is not part of the group's crime rate.

Maybe you should talk to IBDaMann about how set theory works.l
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Stop blaming me for YOUR problems, Richard.

Anyone who commits a crime is a criminal.
All illegal aliens have violated 8 U.S.C. § 1325.
All illegal aliens are criminals.

It's pretty simple, Richard.
 
Jake Starkey said:
You are wrong once again.

Certainly. The statute 8 U.S.C. § 1325 addresses unlawful entry into the United States. It reads in part:


This statute is often cited in cases involving unauthorized border crossings. It classifies such acts as a federal misdemeanor for first-time offenses, with potential fines or imprisonment. Repeat offenses may be prosecuted as felonies under other statutes.

If you're analyzing legal or policy implications, I can help compare how this statute has been applied historically or in recent cases.


Is Ecuador a dangerous place to live that there are grounds to claim asylum in the US?

Yes, Ecuador’s current conditions—marked by organized crime, human rights violations, and weakened asylum protections—can support a claim for asylum in the U.S., but eligibility depends on individual circumstances and credible fear of persecution.

Ecuador’s Security and Human Rights Situation (2025–2026)​

  • Homicide rates surged by 40% in 2025, nearing historic highs.
  • Organized crime has fragmented, with a 54% increase in identifiable gangs between 2023 and 2024.
  • President Noboa declared “internal armed conflict” in January 2024, invoking emergency powers that led to:
    • Extrajudicial killings
    • Enforced disappearances
    • Arbitrary arrests and ill-treatment by security forces.
  • Judicial independence is under threat, with judges and prosecutors lacking protection and tools to investigate crime.
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Crime is NOT a reason for asylum.
Poverty is NOT a reason for asylum.

There are cities in the US with higher crime rates than any in Ecuador.

So, I would argue there is no valid reason for asylum. He can go back to Ecuador and help fix the problems they have there.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Crime is NOT a reason for asylum.
Poverty is NOT a reason for asylum.

There are cities in the US with higher crime rates than any in Ecuador.

So, I would argue there is no valid reason for asylum. He can go back to Ecuador and help fix the problems they have there.
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Your arguments against crime and poverty fail. And here I thought you were bragging about falling crime rates, even in blue cities. Asylum is indeed reasonable.
 
Jake Starkey said:
Your arguments against crime and poverty fail. And here I thought you were bragging about falling crime rates, even in blue cities. Asylum is indeed reasonable.
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If those were valid criteria for asylum, anyone from virtually any nation could apply to the US for it. It is absurd to claim otherwise.

The UN Refugee Convention of 1951 is more reasonable in it's definition:

Article 1 of the 1951 Convention defines a refugee as someone who "owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of [their] nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail [themself] of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of [their] former habitual residence, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it."

Criminals in your country are you and that government's problem, not other nations. You are poor? Sucks to be you but that's no reason for asylum.

We have no reason to be taking in the poor and persons who are threatened by crime in their home nation. They should deal with that there. Asylum is about the government there being major assholes to their citizens.
 
Jake Starkey said:
Your arguments against crime and poverty fail. And here I thought you were bragging about falling crime rates, even in blue cities. Asylum is indeed reasonable.
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Asylum should be eliminated. Period. No one should be above anyone else wanting US citizenship. Get in line and wait until it's your turn to apply.
 
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