Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law

And there were cartoons poking fun at southerners.

And there were cartoons poking fun at surfers or hippies.

And there were cartoons poking fun at french, swedish, british, or any other accents.

And there were cartoons poking fun at businessmen.

And there were cartoons poking fun at farmers & ranchers.

And there were cartoons poking fun at women.

Should the entire world be offended??

Jeez, its a freakin cartoon. If El Kabong and Speedy Gonzalez were the biggest offenses you faced, you have had a cushy life.

I cannot take being offended by a silly cartoon like El Kabong seriously.

I never realized, until now, that Lil Abner was a racist cartoon.
Good point.
 
Not under the provisions of SB 1070. For example, a New Mexico driver's license would not be accepted as proof of citizenship or legal immigration status.

This is the second time that you've made this assertion.
Looks like it's time for you to either prove it, or look like an idiot.
 
"For any lawful contact STOP, DETENTION OR ARREST made by a law
enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law
enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or
other political subdivision of this state IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF ANY OTHER LAW OR ORDINANCE OF A COUNTY, CITY OR TOWN OR THIS STATE where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who AND is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation."

Please note that "reasonable suspicion" is in the amended version.

LIAR!!

In 11-1051(B) The phrase “lawful contact” has been changed to “lawful stop, detention or arrest” and it added that said “stop, detention, or arrest” must be “in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state.”
 
What the law says

Here's what the text of SB 1070 says:

A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.

2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.

3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL IDENTIFICATION.

4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

And until it's proven and ruled that New Mexico is issuing Drivers Liscenses, in violation of Federal Laws, a New Mexico drivers liscence is considered a legal ID.
 
He is offended by Quick Draw McGraw. Actual debate gets difficult when Hanna-Barbera is the enemy.

When did I say I was offended?

You denied that was your intention at the time if you recall.

You also claimed to ('for giggles') have added a "G" to "El Cabon", whom you asserted was a cartoon character.

Are you less than honest?
 
Asshat started the discussion of "what if a witness said the person who committed a crime was hispanic"

If I'm not mistaken, this is usually accomplished by more information.
Such as:
Approx. Height
Approx. Weight
Clothing
Facial hair, or lack of
Hair length
Distinquishing features
etc.
 
If I'm not mistaken, this is usually accomplished by more information.
Such as:
Approx. Height
Approx. Weight
Clothing
Facial hair, or lack of
Hair length
Distinquishing features
etc.

bullshit. They use the racial designation. Then the police go searching for a hispanic.
 
You are incorrect regarding New Mexico driver's licenses, which is what I stated. They are not accepted as proof of legal residency, immigration status, or citizenship.

Since when is a Drivers Liscense from another State, not considered a Legal ID??

How long have you been out of the family basement and been allowed to walk around in the real world??
 
If enforcement of the portions of S.B. 1070 for which the Court finds a likelihood of preemption is not enjoined, the United States is likely to suffer irreparable harm. This is so because the federal government’s ability to enforce its policies and achieve its objectives will be undermined by the state’s enforcement of statutes that interfere with federal law, even if the Court were to conclude that the state statutes have substantially the same goals as federal law. . . . The Court thus finds a likelihood of irreparable harm to the interests of the United States that warrants preliminary injunctive relief.”

. . .

“If Arizona were to enforce the portions of S.B. 1070 for which the Court has found a likelihood of preemption, such enforcement would likely burden legal resident aliens and interfere with federal policy. A preliminary injunction would allow the federal government to continue to pursue federal priorities, which is inherently in the public interest, until a final judgment is reached in this case.”

. . .

“The Court therefore finds that preserving the status quo through a preliminary injunction is less harmful than allowing state laws that are likely preempted by federal law to be enforced.”

http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/OrderUSvsArizona.pdf
 
"On the much-discussed issue of whether the law permits or encourages "racial profiling," we find:

• The amended law allows police to consider "race, color or national origin" when deciding whether to ask somebody for proof of citizenship, but only to the extent already deemed constitutional by the courts.
• It remains to be seen how police will interpret the law’s anti-profiling language in practice. State officials tell us they have yet to work out what factors police should be trained to use to establish "reasonable suspicion" of illegal status."

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/060710_factcheck1070

Section 11-1051:
This section is also amended to strike the word “solely” from where SB 1070 stated “A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONSTITUTION”

How many more times am I going to have to rub your nose in the BS you keep leaving on the floor?
 
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), an anti-immigrant group founded by John Tanton was responsible for drafting SB 1070 through their attorney, Kris Kobach.

FAIR is identified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

FAIR harbors individuals with eugenicist beliefs.
 
Incorrect.

"Though the law only allows officials to ask for proof of citizenship in the case of "legal stop, detention or arrest," this doesn’t limit the questioning to suspected criminals — it can include those who are detained as victims of or witnesses to a crime, or people accused of violating local ordinances like noise laws or loitering laws. Roman is concerned that police will be more likely to both stop and to question those who they think look like immigrants. "The legislature was pretty careful in following criminal procedure notions, but it’s the discretion in how the law enforcement will use criminal procedure [that] is how the racial profiling comes into play," he said."

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/060710_factcheck1070

In 11-1051(B) The phrase “lawful contact” has been changed to “lawful stop, detention or arrest” and it added that said “stop, detention, or arrest” must be “in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state.”

Being questioned about witnessing a possible crime, has never been considered a lawful stop.

The rest of your diatribe is just fear mongering.
 
From the AZ state website: law enforcement officers may only inquire about immigration status if there is first a lawful stop, detention or arrest for a violation of some other law, and then the officer has reasonable suspicion that that you are an alien unlawfully present in the United States. If this occurs, the legislation provides that any one of the following forms of identification will be accepted by law enforcement as proof of legal immigration status in the United States:

A valid Arizona driver license.
A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
A valid Arizona non-operating identification license.
Any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification, provided the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance*.
The federal government, or a state or local law enforcement officer authorized by the federal government, can only make the final determination of a person’s immigration status. State or local law enforcement officers who are not authorized by the federal government cannot make these determinations.


* If you question the validity of your state’s form of identification, please refer to your state’s Motor Vehicle Division

http://www.arizonaguide.com/arizona-travel-info/identification-requirements


I provided proof as to why NM drivers licenses can be reasonably considered valid proof of lawful presence...meaning that you and your fear mongering talking points are wrong!!!
 
Section 11-1051:
This section is also amended to strike the word “solely” from where SB 1070 stated “A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONSTITUTION”

How many more times am I going to have to rub your nose in the BS you keep leaving on the floor?

Police never, ever consider race. color or national origin in the performance of their duties, do they?
 
From the AZ state website: law enforcement officers may only inquire about immigration status if there is first a lawful stop, detention or arrest for a violation of some other law, and then the officer has reasonable suspicion that that you are an alien unlawfully present in the United States. If this occurs, the legislation provides that any one of the following forms of identification will be accepted by law enforcement as proof of legal immigration status in the United States:

A valid Arizona driver license.
A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
A valid Arizona non-operating identification license.
Any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification, provided the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance*.
The federal government, or a state or local law enforcement officer authorized by the federal government, can only make the final determination of a person’s immigration status. State or local law enforcement officers who are not authorized by the federal government cannot make these determinations.


* If you question the validity of your state’s form of identification, please refer to your state’s Motor Vehicle Division

http://www.arizonaguide.com/arizona-travel-info/identification-requirements

A drivers license from another State is and has always been an accepted form of ID in AZ.
 
"The Court thus evaluates the constitutionality of the individual provisions
of S.B. 1070 challenged by the United States.
2. Section 2(B): A.R.S. § 11-1051(B)
Section 2(B) of S.B. 1070 provides as follows: For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by [an Arizona] law enforcement official or . . . law enforcement agency . . . in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released.

The United States argues that this section is preempted because it will result in the harassment of lawfully present aliens and will burden federal resources and impede federal enforcement and policy priorities.
 
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